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[snow66!]

If you follow the evidence, then you will know what happened.

Well according to Bob Wolfinden all the evidence you need is the phone moved from the bedroom to the kitchen and Bambers guilty.I do not agree with his evidence at all.Everyone sees the crime scene and the evidence differently Adam.

[David1819]

Well according to Bob Wolfinden all the evidence you need is the phone moved from the bedroom to the kitchen and Bambers guilty.I do not agree with his evidence at all.Everyone sees the crime scene and the evidence differently Adam.

And Bob Wofinden even got the phones moving wrong.

[David1819]

If you follow the evidence, then you will know what happened.

And if you follow Adams posts, you will know what didn't happen.

[Adam]

And if you follow Adams posts, you will know what didn't happen.

Well if you follow the crime scene evidence, it is a straight forward Bamber scenario.

Certainly not Nevill running downstairs to phone Jeremy after Sheila starts shooting the twins. As you claim. 

[snow66!]

And Bob Wofinden even got the phones moving wrong.

Hi Dave,what did happen with the phones? If i remember correctly Bob said JB took the kitchen phone off the hook disabling the bedroom phone before he started the shooting,then moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen.So he claimed Sheila would not have been bothered about moving phones about,or something like that.But it isnt nearly as simple as that when you look at the phone issue.If i am wrong,please correct me before i comment further on this topic further.

[Rob_]

You need to provide the source.

Do you think Sheila was in the kitchen still alive when the raid team entered WHF? I thought she wanted to commit murder/suicide.

Playing games again Adam? try PC Collins statement sheets 2 and 3.

I thought you followed the evidence? surely you know the two adults were found before the children?

[Adam]

Playing games again Adam? try PC Collins statement sheets 2 and 3.

I thought you followed the evidence? surely you know the two adults were found before the children?

Not playing games.

Please provide the link. Standard forum procedure.

[Adam]

Hi Dave,what did happen with the phones? If i remember correctly Bob said JB took the kitchen phone off the hook disabling the bedroom phone before he started the shooting,then moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen.So he claimed Sheila would not have been bothered about moving phones about,or something like that.But it isnt nearly as simple as that when you look at the phone issue.If i am wrong,please correct me before i comment further on this topic further.

That could be what happened.

Bamber would not be expecting Nevill or June to wake prior to him entering the bedroom (they didn't). However better safe than sorry & disabling all phones was easy. 

The bedroom phone was put in the kitchen & left off the hook. To explain Nevill in the kitchen.

The working kitchen phone unplugged and put under magazines.

[snow66!]

That could be what happened.

Bamber would not be expecting Nevill or June to wake prior to him entering the bedroom (they didn't). However better safe than sorry & disabling all phones was easy. 

The bedroom phone was put in the kitchen & left off the hook. To explain Nevill in the kitchen.

The working kitchen phone unplugged and put under magazines.

But there was no logic in moving the bedroom phone at all Adam,all he had to do was plug in the kitchen phone again.Explain again why he moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen .

[Adam]

But there was no logic in moving the bedroom phone at all Adam,all he had to do was plug in the kitchen phone again.Explain again why he moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen .

The kitchen phone was plugged in. Bamber unplugged it & put it under magazines.

The bedroom phone was taken downstairs, plugged in and taken off the hook.

All this was to explain why Nevill was downstairs & why Nevill/June did not phone Bamber from upstairs.

[David1819]

Hi Dave,what did happen with the phones? If i remember correctly Bob said JB took the kitchen phone off the hook disabling the bedroom phone before he started the shooting,then moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen.So he claimed Sheila would not have been bothered about moving phones about,or something like that.But it isnt nearly as simple as that when you look at the phone issue.If i am wrong,please correct me before i comment further on this topic further.

The phone Woffindumb though was moved on the night of the shooting, was already in the kitchen days before the shooting. Read the statements of DOUGLAS JOHN PIKE in the archive.

[Roch]

He passed away a few years ago. I always thought his conversion to guilt was a bit strange.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/11/bob-woffinden-obituary

[Adam]

The phone Woffindumb though was moved on the night of the shooting, was already in the kitchen days before the shooting. Read the statements of DOUGLAS JOHN PIKE in the archive.

'Days before'.

Why would Nevill/June not put the bedroom phone in....the bedroom?

The kitchen phone was working.

[snow66!]

The kitchen phone was plugged in. Bamber unplugged it & put it under magazines.

The bedroom phone was taken downstairs, plugged in and taken off the hook.

All this was to explain why Nevill was downstairs & why June did not phone the police from upstairs.

This is not the way i see it Adam.If the kitchen phone was off the hook no one could use the bedroom phone,so no fear of June or anyone else making a phone call.But lets start at the beginning.You say everyone was in bed when JB entered the house and he intended a silent massacre before Nev/June and the twins woke up.If this was his plan,moving the bedroom phone was not in his original plan.Indeed it was unlikely he planned a phone call from Nevill at all,because if Nevill and June were curled up in bed when they were shot,obviously the police would know a phone call was not possible,because it would be obvious that they were shot as they slept.So,you say the bedroom phone was moved to the kitchen because it is claimed ,IF the phone was in the bedroom Nevill would have tried to use it.But this is illogical garbage.For heavens sake,someone being shot at,is not going to reach for the bedside phone and try to make a call,nonsense.YOU, yourself have Nevill exiting the room in ten seconds Adam,so no thought of making a call whether the phone was there or not.And it would have been no surprise to the police that Nevill fled the bedroom to escape a hail of bullets,and ended up phoning from the kitchen.Totally logical.So,to say would have phoned from the bedroom if the phone was there is utter lunacy.And not only that,to claim that JB tried to hide the kitchen phone and make it blatantly obvious that someone was staging the phones is again utter stupidity,who on earth would be so stupid,comical.No,no matter where Nevill ended up,it made no sense whatsoever to move the bedroom phone.Disable it yes,but move it to the kitchen,rubbish.If the police found a phone on the bedside cabinet in the main bedroom they wouldnt have batted an eye lid under the circumstances,NO ONE would.Obviously it is true what was said about the phones playing up,and the bedroom phone was already in the kitchen pre massacre.The original kitchen phone either innocently or otherwise getting covered with magazines.So,to my mind the moving of the bedroom phone means nothing and in no way whatsoever incriminates JB.Think it through.

[Adam]

This is not the way i see it Adam.If the kitchen phone was off the hook no one could use the bedroom phone,so no fear of June or anyone else making a phone call.But lets start at the beginning.You say everyone was in bed when JB entered the house and he intended a silent massacre before Nev/June and the twins woke up.If this was his plan,moving the bedroom phone was not in his original plan.Indeed it was unlikely he planned a phone call from Nevill at all,because if Nevill and June were curled up in bed when they were shot,obviously the police would know a phone call was not possible,because it would be obvious that they were shot as they slept.So,you say the bedroom phone was moved to the kitchen because it is claimed ,IF the phone was in the bedroom Nevill would have tried to use it.But this is illogical garbage.For heavens sake,someone being shot at,is not going to reach for the bedside phone and try to make a call,nonsense.YOU, yourself have Nevill exiting the room in ten seconds Adam,so no thought of making a call whether the phone was there or not.And it would have been no surprise to the police that Nevill fled the bedroom to escape a hail of bullets,and ended up phoning from the kitchen.Totally logical.So,to say would have phoned from the bedroom if the phone was there is utter lunacy.And not only that,to claim that JB tried to hide the kitchen phone and make it blatantly obvious that someone was staging the phones is again utter stupidity,who on earth would be so stupid,comical.No,no matter where Nevill ended up,it made no sense whatsoever to move the bedroom phone.Disable it yes,but move it to the kitchen,rubbish.If the police found a phone on the bedside cabinet in the main bedroom they wouldnt have batted an eye lid under the circumstances,NO ONE would.Obviously it is true what was said about the phones playing up,and the bedroom phone was already in the kitchen pre massacre.The original kitchen phone either innocently or otherwise getting covered with magazines.So,to my mind the moving of the bedroom phone means nothing and in no way whatsoever incriminates JB.Think it through.

Have always said Bamber's plan was to take the bedroom phone off the hook.

Ideally Nevill stumbled around in the bedroom before dying there. As June did.

When Nevill went downstairs. So did the bedroom phone.