The drop / pendant earring...

[killingeve]

Have you watched the Devil's Advocate documentary that's just come out about GDS? I found it thoroughly entertaining and a real eye opener. Though, a caveat is that he didn't take part in it, so obviously, it is biased.

No I haven't.  Where can I find it?

[Roch]

No I haven't.  Where can I find it?

Sky Documentaries

[Rob_]

Hi Rob,how are you today.I have just finished my latest rant as you can see.So back to the photo,as i have been asking Roch and others,apart from the item round Sheilas neck,can you make out the pattern on the white area behind her.An asterisk and a flower shape.Do you see them?

Hi Snow, I am not sure if there is a pattern on the white area behind SC? What looks like a pattern could just be artifacts? I did try but the image is so poor.

[snow66!]

Hi Snow, I am not sure if there is a pattern on the white area behind SC? What looks like a pattern could just be artifacts? I did try but the image is so poor.

Hi Rob,good to hear from you,i thought the photo discussion had been abandoned all together.I tried asking Mike where the photo came from and what his views on it were.But as yet i have received no reply.Anyway i clearly see the patterns,just look at the photos Roch posted on page16.Dont blow them up ,just sit back a few feet from your computer and stare at the white area for a few seconds.for want of a better description,an asterisk shape can be clearly defined on the left with a flower shape above Sheilas head.The flower shape is a circle with smaller circles or petals round about it.If it wasnt for this patterned area i would be inclined to think the photo was taken at the morgue.I believe i saw in the Dickinson report or somewhere that many pictures were taken there.Anyway,thats about all i can say regarding the photo at the moment,without any more info about it.Cheers Rob.

[snow66!]

Does anyone know whether it was ever pinpointed, exactly where this image came from and exactly who it depicts?

Back to the bloodied picture that Roch posted on page 16 of the drop/pendant earring topic.It was decided that it was a photo of Sheila,but no one could pinpoint whether it was taken at the White House or at the morgue.Anyway,if you look at the photo titled Hallway 2,in the archives,the one with the rifle circled in red leaning against the bedroom window,a number of objects have appeared beside or on the two chairs.One of these objects looks like a white patterned folding mirror or something.What is the accepted opinion of what this item is,and where did it appear from? I cannot see anything like it in any of the other photos.It is too rigid an item to simply be a patterned sheet or something,and there is a pole or something running between the two sides of it,I just wondered what the object is,and if it is a possibility that this is the object in the bloodied photo because of the similar pattern.Any thoughts?

[snow66!]

Anyway,all these items must have appeared from somewhere,there seems to be bed sheets an d some clothing draped over the chairs appart from the patterned object.And as you can see,other objects have appeared on the window sill,a black box or case and a shiny gold object.Of course the soco team would have had equipment with them as well as the doctor.But none of this stuff are in the other main bedroom photos.You could ask if these photos were taken much later when the crime scene was finished with,and objects were being cleared out,but if this is the case why take more photos at this stage,and why is June still lying on the floor?

[Bubo bubo]

Anyway,all these items must have appeared from somewhere,there seems to be bed sheets an d some clothing draped over the chairs appart from the patterned object.And as you can see,other objects have appeared on the window sill,a black box or case and a shiny gold object.Of course the soco team would have had equipment with them as well as the doctor.But none of this stuff are in the other main bedroom photos.You could ask if these photos were taken much later when the crime scene was finished with,and objects were being cleared out,but if this is the case why take more photos at this stage,and why is June still lying on the floor?

It is shown in other bedroom photos. I have discussed this with other members by pm. My best guess is a trouser press or a floor standing adjustable  mirror. Given the Bedroom photos are of a drastically altered scene I do not think it of importance.

[snow66!]

It is shown in other bedroom photos. I have discussed this with other members by pm. My best guess is a trouser press or a floor standing adjustable  mirror. Given the Bedroom photos are of a drastically altered scene I do not think it of importance.

Good evening Bubo,hope your good.Isnt it important that they have taken objects probably from another room before they had finished taking photos.Obviously this not only alters the bedroom crime scene but also the room where they were taken from.Unless the items came out of the bedroom wardrobes,which are open in some photos and shut in others.Anyway why tamper with anything when the bodies are still in situ.

[snow66!]

Anyway,Jeremy Bamber must know what the trouser press/mirror object actually is and where it was normally kept.Maybe the sudden appearance of the item in the bedroom along with the other things is in his latest submission,under tampering with the crime scene.

[snow66!]

Hello casual browsers,as you can see the JB forum has been quiet for a few days.That is because the members are all sending each other PM's,yes thats private messages,oh yes they are all in different groups posting back and forth havering utter nonsense,claiming they have conclusively solved the case.None of them pm me however,they pretended i was welcome on the forum,when in reality they are calling me all the names under the sun behind my back Oh well never mind,let us talk among ourselves.What word do you think came in to my head the other day? It is a word i haven't heard for a long time for some reason.That word is 'gadgie',yes 'gadgie',it is a word i find amusing in my tiny little mind.It has different meanings around the country,but where i am it basically means geezer or someone who is slightly dodgy.I dont know what it means where you come from.I hope the word makes you smile too.Anyway thats the kind of thing you have to think about when no one pm's you.Well goodnight for now casual browsers and sleep well.

[David1819]

Hello casual browsers,as you can see the JB forum has been quiet for a few days.That is because the members are all sending each other PM's,yes thats private messages,oh yes they are all in different groups posting back and forth havering utter nonsense,claiming they have conclusively solved the case.None of them pm me however,they pretended i was welcome on the forum,when in reality they are calling me all the names under the sun behind my back Oh well never mind,let us talk among ourselves.

I have not been PMing anyone lately.   

If the conspiracy nuts have gone underground, then they wont be publicly embarrassing themselves or this forum anymore. 

[snow66!]

I have not been PMing anyone lately.   

If the conspiracy nuts have gone underground, then they wont be publicly embarrassing themselves or this forum anymore. 

Good evening Dave,i myself at the moment dont know what to think.The two bodies in the kitchen may have been an honest mistake if it wasnt for the fact that there is written documentation that a further three bodies were found upstairs to corroborate the fact.This has never been explained satisfactorily as far as i can see,and if true you have to lean towards a conspiracy theory of sum sort,because the police knew Sheila was alive on entry.Obviously with this scenario the cover up would have been to hide the police failures.I am more inclined to think that through time and with pressure from the relatives the police,or at least some of them were convinced rightly or wrongly of JBs guilt.Although obviously one officer was convinced of his guilt from the start too,but only through JBs behaviour,nothing else.In the end i believe JB WAS framed for the murders with some of the police genuinely thinking he was 100 percent guilty while others still believed he was innocent.I trust you have read 'David Shaws,an innocent man',i think his account of events is quite good at showing how those involved conspired behind JBs back to bring him down.And shaw brings up things like the second damaged rifle that Davidson saw in the kitchen,which he spoke of in his colp interview,You can find refference to this in the colp transcript that Mike has posted in the Archive as you know.And there are many other things like the note from Sheilas room ,of which Davidson said he could not remember what was written,also the hand swabs combined with the plastic bags to make room for four extra bullets or casings,which is all documented.Anthony Partegers licence for his rifle apparantly being moved to his own adress just prior to the trajedy and so on.Anyway,i dont know what your stance is at the moment Dave,but with the amount of anomalies and dodgy suspicious things that have happened with the JB case,i will always have reasonable doubt unless he does confess some day.

[Adam]

Shaw's book is very biased.

The 3 bodies upstairs would have originally been reported after the police saw June & the twins. They then saw Sheila behind the bed a few moments later.

But appreciate this will be something supporters will always bring up.

[snow66!]

Shaw's book is very biased.

The 3 bodies upstairs would have originally been reported after the police saw June & the twins. They then saw Sheila behind the bed a few moments later.

But appreciate this will be something supporters will always bring up.

Hi Adam,hope you are fine.You know that is not true,both Sheila and June were found before the twins.Of course Shaws draft is biased,but most of it CAN be backed up by factual documentation.

[snow66!]

But like most,Shaw does not give a definitive reason why JB was framed in the end.