Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:

[Jane]

Adam, you mention JB may have phoned his house from the farm,then rushed home to phone the police.But lets just think about what he would have to achieve on 6-7th Aug if he was the killer.He had done a long days work harvesting on the farm,heads off home about 10.00 ,undoubtably gets no sleep sets off on the bike ,probably sometime after 12.00 .Bikes over various terrain for about three miles,climbs in a window.charges through the house ,wiping out his family,Fighting with Neville ,and as if he wasnt sweating enough,stands at the aga heating the end of the rifle.Apparantly he has to carry Sheila through to their parents bedroom and shoot her.He phones his own cottage,leaps out the kitchen window,slams it shut,then after all that ,jumps on the bike and races back to his house.And on a ladies bike mind you,not a fancy racing model.He gets back to his house about 15 minutes later we are told ,and enters his house without a sole seeing him,sweating like a pig,he rushes to the phone to call the police,not even out of breath.He changes out of the infamous wet suit or whatever he was wearing,throws them into the washing machine,He showers or at least dries off the sweat and uses tons of deodorant.Throws on some clean clothes and even has time to phone Julie before jumping in the jalopy and heading back to the farm to meat the police.He dosent appear to be in the least out of breath, and reasonably composed.Quite a feat,Even in my prime ,if i had carried out such an escapade,i am quite sure i would have been shattered,my face would have been bursting and as red as a beetroot,i would have been out of breath and probably shaking.The cops would have cottoned on to me right away.So we must conclude , if JB carried out the massacre he must have been as fit as an athlete, and had nerves of steel.Any comments.

I'm sure you would have been all those thing you claim you'd have been, Snow. But this is about JB. I think his mind set and your own would have been very different. He'd have been pumped full of adrenalin and thoughts of the life he'd lead once he'd got his hands on the dosh.

Without knowing the time line, it's reasonable to think he'd have given himself time to ensure that he could clean up, calm down, and wasn't sporting a "beetroot red face" which was fit to burst when he met with police.

[snow66!]

Hi Jane ,how are you tonight.Well you must admit it was quite a feat to acomplish IF he carried it out.Any way ,as i have told Adam i have tried to answer the 71 points of evidence by the COA on the  If the forum formed a jury thread by QC.Would you comment on my answers ,along with any other guilters.Otherwise you have little chance of converting me to the guilty stance.To be honest if that 71 points is among the best evidence against JB ,i dont think i will be changing my stance from reasonable doubt in the near future.Any way have a nice evening,bye for now.

[Jane]

Hi Jane ,how are you tonight.Well you must admit it was quite a feat to acomplish IF he carried it out.Any way ,as i have told Adam i have tried to answer the 71 points of evidence by the COA on the  If the forum formed a jury thread by QC.Would you comment on my answers ,along with any other guilters.Otherwise you have little chance of converting me to the guilty stance.To be honest if that 71 points is among the best evidence against JB ,i dont think i will be changing my stance from reasonable doubt in the near future.Any way have a nice evening,bye for now.

Indeed it was, Snow. A lot was resting on its success. A whole new life.

[snow66!]

Well to me its quite week evidence Jane.So,how about comments on my answers ,lets have your opinion please.

[Rob_]

Adam, you mention JB may have phoned his house from the farm,then rushed home to phone the police.But lets just think about what he would have to achieve on 6-7th Aug if he was the killer.He had done a long days work harvesting on the farm,heads off home about 10.00 ,undoubtably gets no sleep sets off on the bike ,probably sometime after 12.00 .Bikes over various terrain for about three miles,climbs in a window.charges through the house ,wiping out his family,Fighting with Neville ,and as if he wasnt sweating enough,stands at the aga heating the end of the rifle.Apparantly he has to carry Sheila through to their parents bedroom and shoot her.He phones his own cottage,leaps out the kitchen window,slams it shut,then after all that ,jumps on the bike and races back to his house.And on a ladies bike mind you,not a fancy racing model.He gets back to his house about 15 minutes later we are told ,and enters his house without a sole seeing him,sweating like a pig,he rushes to the phone to call the police,not even out of breath.He changes out of the infamous wet suit or whatever he was wearing,throws them into the washing machine,He showers or at least dries off the sweat and uses tons of deodorant.Throws on some clean clothes and even has time to phone Julie before jumping in the jalopy and heading back to the farm to meat the police.He dosent appear to be in the least out of breath, and reasonably composed.Quite a feat,Even in my prime ,if i had carried out such an escapade,i am quite sure i would have been shattered,my face would have been bursting and as red as a beetroot,i would have been out of breath and probably shaking.The cops would have cottoned on to me right away.So we must conclude , if JB carried out the massacre he must have been as fit as an athlete, and had nerves of steel.Any comments.

Nice post Snow, you show that what JB is supposed to have done is just not possible. If he used the AM he has an impossible time frame and if he just lied about Nevil calling he would not have created a gap of 15 or 20 minutes between the Nevil call and the call to the police.

[Adam]

If Bamber was certain BT/the police could not track calls he would have said - 'I received a call from Nevill at 'around' 3.20am, I spent a couple of minutes looking for the number of Chelmsford Police & then rang them.

However he knew there was a 15 minute gap between the two calls. So the search for the number of Chelmsford Police took a much less likely 15 minutes.

[guest29835]

If Bamber was certain BT/the police could not track calls he would have said - 'I received a call from Nevill at 'around' 3.20am, I spent a couple of minutes looking for the number of Chelmsford Police & then rang them.

However he knew there was a 15 minute gap between the two calls. So the search for the number of Chelmsford Police took a much less likely 15 minutes.

Maybe that's exactly what happened?

[Rob_]

If Bamber was certain BT/the police could not track calls he would have said - 'I received a call from Nevill at 'around' 3.20am, I spent a couple of minutes looking for the number of Chelmsford Police & then rang them.

However he knew there was a 15 minute gap between the two calls. So the search for the number of Chelmsford Police took a much less likely 15 minutes.

Ok but then explain how in 15 minutes he gets from WHF changes etc. etc. etc. and back to WHF as if nothing has happened? Just include this period of time in your revised scenario so I can study it please. You are not doing a very good job of converting me!

[Adam]

Ok but then explain how in 15 minutes he gets from WHF changes etc. etc. etc. and back to WHF as if nothing has happened? Just include this period of time in your revised scenario so I can study it please. You are not doing a very good job of converting me!

Did you not read my thread post?

He changes/cleans after ringing Chelmsford Police.

[Armchair Detective]

JB's account of the call from Nevill could not be corroborated so it's not crucial to the case to consider whether he may have called Goldhanger from WHF at all.

The jury could have decided that JB was lying about Nevill's call and convicted him on that evidence alone.

[ILB]

As I have stated I do believe this is damaging to Bamber. While I don't necessarily believe it was ultimatley down to sinister prospect from a gulity scenario. It is suspicious. The prosecution can rightly argue this.

It fits a gulity narrative of Bamber trying to get things together and buy himself time.

[Rob_]

JB's account of the call from Nevill could not be corroborated so it's not crucial to the case to consider whether he may have called Goldhanger from WHF at all.

The jury could have decided that JB was lying about Nevill's call and convicted him on that evidence alone.

Yes but if he is lying and knows the calls cannot be traced and the police cannot check if calls were even made why does he create the time delay and cast huge suspicion on himself?

[ILB]

The most logical thing is to dial 999. The comment Bamber makes when prompted by police " you have to understand he isn't the type of person to get organisations involved" doesn't cut it when your family is at harm. It has to be said. 999 would have the been the first and immediate option. Purely my opinion

[Rob_]

The most logical thing is to dial 999. The comment Bamber makes when prompted by police " you have to understand he isn't the type of person to get organisations involved" doesn't cut it when your family is at harm. It has to be said. 999 would have the been the first and immediate option. Purely my opinion

But he is lying and faking everything so why did he not ring 999 he could have done?

[Adam]

The most logical thing is to dial 999. The comment Bamber makes when prompted by police " you have to understand he isn't the type of person to get organisations involved" doesn't cut it when your family is at harm. It has to be said. 999 would have the been the first and immediate option. Purely my opinion

Surely you are not suggesting calling the sixth furthest away police station, over 20 miles away, is suspicious?