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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2022, 05:01:PM »
This is a perfect example of creating a strawman by isolating an aspect of the case away from context.

Bamber admits he can get in, he's done it often.

Proving how he got in or out becomes irrelevant if the jury accept that a bloodflake matching Sheila's exact enzymes and proteins was found inside the silencer. She couldn't have put that back after shooting herself. 

Or if the jury accept some or part of JM's evidence.

Or if the jury decide that the evidence suggests Sheila couldn't be responsible.

etc.
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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2022, 05:08:PM »
He wouldn't know whether a patrol car might have been seconds away. 

In terms of AM he wouldn't have the expertise to appreciate whether or not a call going into AM leaves the same audit trail at the exchange that lifting and replacing the receiver does. 


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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2022, 05:11:PM »
Adam, you mention JB may have phoned his house from the farm,then rushed home to phone the police.But lets just think about what he would have to achieve on 6-7th Aug if he was the killer.He had done a long days work harvesting on the farm,heads off home about 10.00 ,undoubtably gets no sleep sets off on the bike ,probably sometime after 12.00 .Bikes over various terrain for about three miles,climbs in a window.charges through the house ,wiping out his family,Fighting with Neville ,and as if he wasnt sweating enough,stands at the aga heating the end of the rifle.Apparantly he has to carry Sheila through to their parents bedroom and shoot her.He phones his own cottage,leaps out the kitchen window,slams it shut,then after all that ,jumps on the bike and races back to his house.And on a ladies bike mind you,not a fancy racing model.He gets back to his house about 15 minutes later we are told ,and enters his house without a sole seeing him,sweating like a pig,he rushes to the phone to call the police,not even out of breath.He changes out of the infamous wet suit or whatever he was wearing,throws them into the washing machine,He showers or at least dries off the sweat and uses tons of deodorant.Throws on some clean clothes and even has time to phone Julie before jumping in the jalopy and heading back to the farm to meat the police.He dosent appear to be in the least out of breath, and reasonably composed.Quite a feat,Even in my prime ,if i had carried out such an escapade,i am quite sure i would have been shattered,my face would have been bursting and as red as a beetroot,i would have been out of breath and probably shaking.The cops would have cottoned on to me right away.So we must conclude , if JB carried out the massacre he must have been as fit as an athlete, and had nerves of steel.Any comments.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2022, 05:17:PM »
Adam, you mention JB may have phoned his house from the farm,then rushed home to phone the police.But lets just think about what he would have to achieve on 6-7th Aug if he was the killer.He had done a long days work harvesting on the farm,heads off home about 10.00 ,undoubtably gets no sleep sets off on the bike ,probably sometime after 12.00 .Bikes over various terrain for about three miles,climbs in a window.charges through the house ,wiping out his family,Fighting with Neville ,and as if he wasnt sweating enough,stands at the aga heating the end of the rifle.Apparantly he has to carry Sheila through to their parents bedroom and shoot her.He phones his own cottage,leaps out the kitchen window,slams it shut,then after all that ,jumps on the bike and races back to his house.And on a ladies bike mind you,not a fancy racing model.He gets back to his house about 15 minutes later we are told ,and enters his house without a sole seeing him,sweating like a pig,he rushes to the phone to call the police,not even out of breath.He changes out of the infamous wet suit or whatever he was wearing,throws them into the washing machine,He showers or at least dries off the sweat and uses tons of deodorant.Throws on some clean clothes and even has time to phone Julie before jumping in the jalopy and heading back to the farm to meat the police.He dosent appear to be in the least out of breath, and reasonably composed.Quite a feat,Even in my prime ,if i had carried out such an escapade,i am quite sure i would have been shattered,my face would have been bursting and as red as a beetroot,i would have been out of breath and probably shaking.The cops would have cottoned on to me right away.So we must conclude , if JB carried out the massacre he must have been as fit as an athlete, and had nerves of steel.Any comments.

Neither here or there. There was nearly half a million at stake.
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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2022, 05:22:PM »
Adam, you mention JB may have phoned his house from the farm,then rushed home to phone the police.But lets just think about what he would have to achieve on 6-7th Aug if he was the killer.He had done a long days work harvesting on the farm,heads off home about 10.00 ,undoubtably gets no sleep sets off on the bike ,probably sometime after 12.00 .Bikes over various terrain for about three miles,climbs in a window.charges through the house ,wiping out his family,Fighting with Neville ,and as if he wasnt sweating enough,stands at the aga heating the end of the rifle.Apparantly he has to carry Sheila through to their parents bedroom and shoot her.He phones his own cottage,leaps out the kitchen window,slams it shut,then after all that ,jumps on the bike and races back to his house.And on a ladies bike mind you,not a fancy racing model.He gets back to his house about 15 minutes later we are told ,and enters his house without a sole seeing him,sweating like a pig,he rushes to the phone to call the police,not even out of breath.He changes out of the infamous wet suit or whatever he was wearing,throws them into the washing machine,He showers or at least dries off the sweat and uses tons of deodorant.Throws on some clean clothes and even has time to phone Julie before jumping in the jalopy and heading back to the farm to meat the police.He dosent appear to be in the least out of breath, and reasonably composed.Quite a feat,Even in my prime ,if i had carried out such an escapade,i am quite sure i would have been shattered,my face would have been bursting and as red as a beetroot,i would have been out of breath and probably shaking.The cops would have cottoned on to me right away.So we must conclude , if JB carried out the massacre he must have been as fit as an athlete, and had nerves of steel.Any comments.

You need to start including line gaps.

Anyway it seems you are just repeating your Bamber scenario.
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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2022, 05:26:PM »
He wouldn't know whether a patrol car might have been seconds away. 

In terms of AM he wouldn't have the expertise to appreciate whether or not a call going into AM leaves the same audit trail at the exchange that lifting and replacing the receiver does.

A Tuesday night in TD. He was prepared to take the chance.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2022, 05:27:PM »
So your answer is Adam,his infinite greed and desire for money,gave him a limitless amount of stamina and asrenaline to carry him through even without any sleep.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2022, 05:28:PM »
He wouldn't know whether a patrol car might have been seconds away. 

In terms of AM he wouldn't have the expertise to appreciate whether or not a call going into AM leaves the same audit trail at the exchange that lifting and replacing the receiver does.

The call is answered. The caller can speak.

Again had no option but to take the chance. If he wasn't sure what BT/the police could obtain.
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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2022, 05:32:PM »
That is supposed to be adrenaline not asrenaline,sorry.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2022, 05:33:PM »
So your answer is Adam,his infinite greed and desire for money,gave him a limitless amount of stamina and asrenaline to carry him through even without any sleep.

Yes.  He was a young fit guy.  Consider all the people that are sleep deprived and have heavy and difficult workloads much of the time: soldiers/medics/airline pilots.  It was a one-off for Bamber. 

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2022, 05:38:PM »
Sorry Adam ,but i explained i do not have the expertise to edit any of my postsBut QC or yourself are welcome to edit any of my posts to your liking,any time you wish.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2022, 05:42:PM »
Hi cutie,how are you doing today.So another post that fails to impress you or Adam eh.I will have to try harder,bye

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2022, 05:55:PM »
Ihave answered your 71 points of evidence by the COA on the   If this forum formed a jury topic,any comments from cutie ,Jane or yourself Adam,would be appreciated.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2022, 05:59:PM »
Hi cutie,how are you doing today.So another post that fails to impress you or Adam eh.I will have to try harder,bye





If you said black she'd say white. You wouldn't know where you were with her. I wouldn't try too hard at this juncture as little notice, if any is taken should you mention or hint innocent.

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Re: Possible other reason why Bamber called Chelmsford Police:
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2022, 06:41:PM »
Hi lookout ,hope your well.What do you mean i will be ignored arent ,Mike,Bill,Roch.Jackie,Rob,Nug Nug,Bubo Bubo going to back me up ,as well as yourself.Am i a man alone.Is it because i am undecided,or are my posts rubbish.