Snows JB scenario

[Adam]

But you're assuming it was burn marks.  The injuries may have been the result of impact by the cold poker.
Or the injuries may be the result of simple scratching or something.  It may just have been bruising. 

If it was burns, the poker would then be used to inflict burns repeatedly, which could result in blood on the poker, but also remember that Nevill was bleeding anyway, so it is likely the poker would have picked up blood staining from Nevill and maybe transfer blood stains from the scene.  Presumably, Jeremy would then have to clean the poker, which adds one further complication to the crime.

Nevill's pyjama top did not have holes or tears in it, to my knowledge.  This is not conclusive because the killer could have lifted it to inflict burns or injuries, but I would have thought a hot poker would have made some sort of mark on the clothing.

Bamber lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle. So he could pull his pyjama top up.

Even Bamber agrees to an extent. Who says the burn marks were made on the massacre night. Minus silencer.

[Armchair Detective]

Re the "burn marks"

I have seen someone propose a cattle prod might have been used. I think CAL posited that Nevill may have been tortured for the whereabouts of his cash/combination to the safe but personally I think that's cobblers and the marks remain a mystery that may not be part of the case at all.

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo

This video is pretty conclusive that it was burn marks from the rifle.

15 mins.

[snow66!]

Thanks for clarifyng that Adam ,as you know i intend to try and explain them in my Sheila scenario.What do you think of my answers to the COAs 71 points of evidence.Please give me some sort of an answer.

[Armchair Detective]

https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo

This video is pretty conclusive that it was burn marks from the rifle.

15 mins.

You think that is conclusive?

[Adam]

You think that is conclusive?

The TV programme had no aga.

[David1819]

You think that is conclusive?

When you consider the fact that Nevills burns are circular with an area in the centre less burned. Just like the Boyce experiments. There is little room for doubt for what caused them.

PS: Images 4 and 5 I have increased the contrast to make it easier to see.












PS. CambridgeAlchi thinks they are stitches from back surgery 🤣

[Armchair Detective]

The TV programme had no aga.

Exactly, and JB ( or Sheila ) didn't have a blowtorch.

The top mark on Nevill is oval but the pig burns are perfectly round.

Far from convincing for me and the CCRC thought so too.

[Armchair Detective]

When you consider the fact that Nevills burns are circular with an area in the centre less burned. Just like the Boyce experiments. There is little room for doubt for what caused them.

PS: Images 4 and 5 I have increased the contrast to make it easier to see.












PS. CambridgeAlchi thinks they are stitches from back surgery 🤣

Looks like the pig burns have been squashed to make them look more oval.

My screengrab above doesn't look so similar in shape or size.

Not convinced at all, sorry. 

[David1819]

Exactly, and JB ( or Sheila ) didn't have a blowtorch.

The top mark on Nevill is oval but the pig burns are perfectly round.

Far from convincing for me and the CCRC thought so too.

The AGA was found switched on. And if you read point 30 in the Bamber v CCRC 2012 document. Boyce proved it was possible using an AGA cooker.

[killingeve]

When you consider the fact that Nevills burns are circular with an area in the centre less burned. Just like the Boyce experiments. There is little room for doubt for what caused them.

PS: Images 4 and 5 I have increased the contrast to make it easier to see.












PS. CambridgeAlchi thinks they are stitches from back surgery 🤣

Where have I mentioned stitches?  The back surgery was during WW2.  Who has stiches in for some 40 years?   

I am reminded of your so-called forensic evidence breakthrough where you produced some imagery where the only relevance to anything existed in your ADHD mind. 

[killingeve]

As can be seen from Prof Knight's trial testimony above he was adamant that the marks were not burns.

[Adam]

The AGA was found switched on. And if you read point 30 in the Bamber v CCRC 2012 document. Boyce proved it was possible using an AGA cooker.

Thank you David.

It does seem that Nevill's back was burnt. Minus silencer. As was the 2012 CCRC submission.

[Adam]

As can be seen from Prof Knight's trial testimony above he was adamant that the marks were not burns.

What did he say they were. In his opinion?

[Armchair Detective]

The AGA was found switched on. And if you read point 30 in the Bamber v CCRC 2012 document. Boyce proved it was possible using an AGA cooker.

Aga's are usually always on. They take an age to heat up from cold.

How long does it take to heat up a rifle using an aga? Just because it's possible it doesn't mean that is what happened. You still have to have convincing evidence it was the end of the rifle and I'm not convinced.

Furthermore, if we accept Boyce's evidence, all it means is the silencer is off the rifle making the burns, not who is holding the rifle.