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Offline Munksa

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Re: Telecoms in 1985
« Reply #195 on: January 08, 2022, 11:32:PM »
You know full well it was available. Maybe the prosecution felt it was watertight with mugford etc

The fact is it was not provided on by both arlidge or rivlin or Bamber. And it's strange

What a weird thing to say... How do you know I am full aware I know? Didn't realize I worked at BT... 🙄

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« Reply #196 on: January 08, 2022, 11:54:PM »
Murders all done, cleaned himself if he needed to, then the phone scam. Have to assume Bamber knows within a minute or two how long it would take to get from WHF to his cottage, obviously using the quickest route with the quickest mode of transport.

Nevill dying in the kitchen dictates the location of the call to the cottage. But Bamber has to be ready to go once he ends the call. Think Bamber knew or thought he knew that calls could be traced so the quicker he gets back to the Cottage the better.

Makes the call, waffles into his answer machine, leaves the phone off the hook, making it look like Nevill was under attack. Gets back to his cottage, wipes answer machine. Should've phoned police ASAP. Why he phoned Julie, I can only speculate, could be put down to stress, panic, may be trying, as I have said, to calm himself before starting the frame up scam.

Answer machines don't start recording till after 6-8 rings or whatever they are set for.

Other issue is, it has been established I believe that Nevill was shot in the face more than once in the bedroom. How then is he able to dial Jeremy and speak in a clear enough voice and also do this whilst under attack from Sheila.

Did Bamber really think this phone scam would work. For it to work he needed an accomplice to impersonate him calling the police from his cottage, a few minutes after the Nevill call. The time delay from the Nevill call and the call to police from his cottage scuppers his phone scam.

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Re: Telecoms in 1985
« Reply #197 on: January 08, 2022, 11:57:PM »
Murders all done, cleaned himself if he needed to, then the phone scam. Have to assume Bamber knows within a minute or two how long it would take to get from WHF to his cottage, obviously using the quickest route with the quickest mode of transport.

Nevill dying in the kitchen dictates the location of the call to the cottage. But Bamber has to be ready to go once he ends the call. Think Bamber knew or thought he knew that calls could be traced so the quicker he gets back to the Cottage the better.

Makes the call, waffles into his answer machine, leaves the phone off the hook, making it look like Nevill was under attack. Gets back to his cottage, wipes answer machine. Should've phoned police ASAP. Why he phoned Julie, I can only speculate, could be put down to stress, panic, may be trying, as I have said, to calm himself before starting the frame up scam.

Answer machines don't start recording till after 6-8 rings or whatever they are set for.

Other issue is, it has been established I believe that Nevill was shot in the face more than once in the bedroom. How then is he able to dial Jeremy and speak in a clear enough voice and also do this whilst under attack from Sheila.

Did Bamber really think this phone scam would work. For it to work he needed an accomplice to impersonate him calling the police from his cottage, a few minutes after the Nevill call. The time delay from the Nevill call and the call to police from his cottage scuppers his phone scam.

Haha I like how you say phone scam

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« Reply #198 on: January 08, 2022, 11:59:PM »
It would be extraordinary if local call records had been available and this was somehow kept secret.

It may well be that anyone who ever tried to query their phone bill in 1985 could tell you BT didn't keep that information and that this was common knowledge at the time.

It's odd that Julie would mention Bamber relying on the memory redial facility as a way of police verifying the alleged call from WHF - if this is right, it suggests Bamber either knew or assumed that the police couldn't prove the time of the call and it then follows he was bluffing in his police interview. 

Alternatively, Nevill really did turn his back on an armed and dangerous Sheila for a good minute in order to try and rouse his feckless druggy son and JB was just being honest about everything.

 

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« Reply #199 on: January 09, 2022, 05:10:AM »
There is no BT phone record of Bamber's two calls to Julie.

However agreed on both sides the calls were around 10pm & between 3am - 3.30am.

There is a log of Bamber's call to the police. This is just a written log.
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« Reply #200 on: January 09, 2022, 05:15:AM »
Bamber likely being aware it was not possible to obtain BT phone evidence of a call from WHF (or not), it seems he said Nevill called him after he had arrived back at his cottage - 'about 3.10am'.

The 16/26 minute gap before he then called the police is attributed to him looking for the phone number of a police station over 20 miles away (as you do).  Together with ringing Julie & cleaning himself up.
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« Reply #201 on: January 09, 2022, 05:35:AM »
If he wanted to fake a call, he would just leave a message on his AM, prior to cycling back.

If the 3.10am time was challenged with BT phone record evidence (it wasn't), he can just say he was half asleep & he did say 'about 3.10am'.
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« Reply #202 on: January 09, 2022, 12:02:PM »
Who took the tape from JB's answerphone.? What did it record ? Why haven't we heard anything ?

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« Reply #203 on: January 09, 2022, 03:32:PM »
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi4--_C-qT1AhWzolwKHZciByUQFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mumsnet.com%2FTalk%2F_chat%2F3691384-Phone-bills-in-the-80s-itemised-in-any-way-Pubs-restaurants&usg=AOvVaw0xLiacm2lLvQBOdD6ouALK

It was probably common knowledge in 1985 that calls were not traceable. Just as it's common knowledge now that your mobile phone stores each call & call lenght for the last few months.

It would have been common knowledge in the 90's when people started getting itemised bills that calls could be traced.

Bamber may have considered dialling his cottage on the WHF office phone. Which had a last number dialled facility. However changed his mind when Nevill got downstairs. Instead taking the bedroom/kitchen phone off the hook to suggest Nevill called him.

Then again, he may have called his AM!

Only one person knows.
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« Reply #205 on: January 09, 2022, 03:53:PM »
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjL4_yngaX1AhVyQUEAHakNDq4QFnoECAMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britishtelephones.com%2Fhistuk.htm&usg=AOvVaw2dQBzyfg2JrIUyn1WWvdEw

It looks like itemised bills started in the 90's. Years after the massacre.

A pity as itemised calls in 1985 would have resolved a lot.

All of it being bad news for Bamber.
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« Reply #206 on: January 09, 2022, 03:57:PM »
Is it heck bad news  ::) So dramatic it's laughable.

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« Reply #207 on: January 09, 2022, 04:04:PM »
Is it heck bad news  ::) So dramatic it's laughable.

Well it would show Nevill did not call the police.

It would also show the times Bamber phoned Julie & the police from his cottage. 

It would show that Nevill did not call Bamber from WHF.

However if Bamber did phone his AM from WHF, it would just highlight he had time to cycle back to his cottage prior to his next call to Julie/the police.
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« Reply #208 on: January 09, 2022, 04:55:PM »
One thing that is certain in 1985 is people left their AM's on 24/7.

Just as 1471 was 24/7 years later & mobile AM's are 24/7.

This rules out Nevill calling Bamber as the AM would have switched on before Bamber woke.
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« Reply #209 on: January 09, 2022, 08:40:PM »
One thing that is certain in 1985 is people left their AM's on 24/7.

Your stating this as a fact - in your own words, Source please