Guns from whf handed in by Bunting who refuses to name persons to police

[ngb1066]

Why swap over the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) and substitute it with a whole control bullet, which enabled the ballistics expert to link and associate it to the Bamber rifle? In addition, to what does the 'officers report' which makes mention of a 'shooting incident in the kitchen', refer to? And at least one member of the raid team was issued with a .22 weapon, and .22 ammunition - furthermore, Essex police will neither confirm or deny, that all the ammunition which was issued to members of the firearms team who participated in the operation, returned it all, unused, at the conclusion of the operation - collectively, all these different features could be meaningfull and be the key to help us to understand who shot who, when and why?

Mike - is there any further information on the .22 weapon issued to the firearms team?  Do you know if it was a pistol or a rifle?  I have fired a .22 rimfire semiautomatic pistol and it can use identical ammunition to a .22 rimfire rifle.  I would expect police to have been issued with high power ammunition rather than subsonic and the ammunition would probably have been standard rather than hollowpoint, but some of the spent bullets found at WHF could not be positively identified as Eley subsonic hollowpoint so it does leave open the possibility of some different .22 rimfire ammunition being used for some of the shots fired. Is there a document available which gives any further information on the weapons issued to the police?

 

[mike tesko]

Why swap over the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) and substitute it with a whole control bullet, which enabled the ballistics expert to link and associate it to the Bamber rifle? In addition, to what does the 'officers report' which makes mention of a 'shooting incident in the kitchen', refer to? And at least one member of the raid team was issued with a .22 weapon, and .22 ammunition - furthermore, Essex police will neither confirm or deny, that all the ammunition which was issued to members of the firearms team who participated in the operation, returned it all, unused, at the conclusion of the operation - collectively, all these different features could be meaningfull and be the key to help us to understand who shot who, when and why?

Mike - is there any further information on the .22 weapon issued to the firearms team?  Do you know if it was a pistol or a rifle?  I have fired a .22 rimfire semiautomatic pistol and it can use identical ammunition to a .22 rimfire rifle.  I would expect police to have been issued with high power ammunition rather than subsonic and the ammunition would probably have been standard rather than hollowpoint, but some of the spent bullets found at WHF could not be positively identified as Eley subsonic hollowpoint so it does leave open the possibility of some different .22 rimfire ammunition being used for some of the shots fired. Is there a document available which gives any further information on the weapons issued to the police?

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There is further information, it is just a matter of time before I can lay my hands upon it...

[Roch]

I think we can all agree... that Bunting should be strung up.

[ngb1066]

Here's the thread relating to the guns handed in by Mr Bunting

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,575.msg11605.html#msg11605

sarann - Thank you for posting the link as I had not managed to find it. 

One of the weapons, the sawn-off .410 shotgun, was a prohibited weapon and possession of an item like that save in very exceptional circumstances leads to prosecution, usually with a serious sentence handed down.   

The other weapon was as I thought a composite .22 rifle/20 bore shotgun, which as I have said before would require a Firearm Certificate to be owned legally.  It was obviously an illegally held weapon.

The failure by police to take any further action against Mr Bunting, especially given his refusal to cooperate with the police in identifying those he claimed gave him the weapons, looks highly suspicious.

This may of course have nothing whatsoever to do with the Bamber case but the police obviously believed there might be some connection.  Although I suspect these weapons were not directly involved in the events at WHF I have a hunch that they were owned by someone connected to the case.

[tyler]

I personally have a hunch that the firearms actually belonged to Bunting.Knowing that at least one was illegal,I can see why he would want to make up some cock and bull story about being handed them by two local men.The police probably thought so too,and that is possibly why they didnt pursue the matter.Cant work out why he would hand them in to police though?

[ngb1066]

I personally have a hunch that the firearms actually belonged to Bunting.Knowing that at least one was illegal,I can see why he would want to make up some cock and bull story about being handed them by two local men.The police probably thought so too,and that is possibly why they didnt pursue the matter.Cant work out why he would hand them in to police though?

You may be right that the weapons belonged to Bunting himself - I suspect we will never know.  I can see why local people might be worried about having illegal weapons in their possession in the WHF area at that time in view of a major police presence and possible house to house enquiries.

I agree that taking the weapons to the police is a bit strange.  Disposing of them in some other way would have been a more sensible way of avoiding possible prosecution.

[Roch]

Its amazing what this forum brings up how can that have not been followed up. That Bob Miller looked so smug on that documentary as if he had done a good job

Smug as in protected, in my view.

[tyler]

Its amazing what this forum brings up how can that have not been followed up. That Bob Miller looked so smug on that documentary as if he had done a good job

Smug as in protected, in my view.

But not for too much longer hopefully