A Jeremy Scenario

[Adam]

Ok sounds plausible Adam.

It might have been in the bedroom on the night. Bamber put it downstairs after Nevill got downstairs.

[Adam]

It might have been in the bedroom on the night. Bamber put it downstairs after Nevill got downstairs.

If it wasn't, Bamber would have checked it in the kitchen. To make sure it was working. Maybe a few hours earlier at supper.

[Adam]

Ideally everyone is shot & killed upstairs.

Nevill moved a few feet from the bed & the bedroom phone taken off the hook. In the bedroom.

Sheila is killed in the twins room.

[killingeve]

I have already explained, earlier in the thread.  Read it, or use your imagination.

No imagination required.  It is a known fact the rifle ejects casings forward by about 4 feet and to the right.  It is a known fact soc officers found a total of 14 casings in the main bedroom and extending just outside onto the landing.  It is a known fact all these casings were photographed, given exhibit numbers and bagged for forensic examination.  It is a known fact all these casings and photographs were examined at trial one by one.  All these facts along with many others prove beyond any doubt Mr Bamber sustained 4 gunshot wounds upstairs and yet you want me to imagine he sustained all his gunshot wounds downstairs where you claim he slept despite the fact there was no bed downstairs but plenty of empty ones upstairs!    

As you say, it's up to me what I believe.  And I don't consider you any sort of authority on the case.

I've never claimed to be some sort of authority on the case.  I simply follow the expert evidence whereas you come up with ludicrous theories which ignore the physical and expert evidence
 

Then why didn't he?  Since Sheila could do the same.

Sheila might well have been capable of firing and hitting the victims at close range as the scene portrayed but highly unlikely she would have been capable of execution style one hits to the head.  Hence Bamber needed it to look amateurish and frenzied.  And it worked until the silencer and Ms Mugford arrived!

I'm still not clear what point you are trying to make, sorry.  It may help if I mention that I am already aware of all this and have mentioned most of it in my own posts, as have others.

Likewise.

I believe you are wrong about this, for the reasons given in outline above, and in the scenario itself.

And I believe you are wrong.

I disagree.  Apart from the ballistics record stating to the contrary, we simply don't know that all bullets were recovered.  Anyway, even if all shots were on target, so what?  The shooter was working at close range.

What evidence exists that unaccounted bullets were discharged?  The muzzle velocity is 1040/fts.
 

My recollection is that I did not doubt your figures necessarily, I merely asked for your source.

Its on the forum.

[Adam]

It is strange that people try to complicate a straight forward scenario that matches the evidence.

QC has Nevill sleeping downstairs & fighting Bamber upon entrance.

[lookout]

Nevill never fought anyone ! His attacker was completely unmarked.

[lookout]

2 women and a giant of a man and nobody around with injuries from these people ? Why ??

[killingeve]

Nevill never fought anyone ! His attacker was completely unmarked.

Good that you don't buy into 'Bill's' theories.

[killingeve]

2 women and a giant of a man and nobody around with injuries from these people ? Why ??

What injuries would you expect to see and why?

[lookout]

What injuries would you expect to see and why?

Scratches from Sheila's long nails, a kitchen utensil used to bash the assailant and Nevill to knock the rifle out of the hands of the killer. 3 adults, kitchen utensils/ pans/ pokers near the Aga---anything and everything to hand in a kitchen. You'd muster up the energy from somewhere if someone entered the farmhouse----while another would quickly dial the police as they can trace where calls come from without knowing the address.

[Jane]

Scratches from Sheila's long nails, a kitchen utensil used to bash the assailant and Nevill to knock the rifle out of the hands of the killer. 3 adults, kitchen utensils/ pans/ pokers near the Aga---anything and everything to hand in a kitchen. You'd muster up the energy from somewhere if someone entered the farmhouse----while another would quickly dial the police as they can trace where calls come from without knowing the address.

I'm certain such could be made to work perfectly on a film set or staging a play in which the assailant gets caught by the police. However, in a real life situation, when the assailant is revealed to be one's child? I wouldn't expect such a prescribed outcome.

[lookout]

Good that you don't buy into 'Bill's' theories.

What do you mean ? JB didn't have a mark on him !

[lookout]

What do you mean ? JB didn't have a mark on him !

That's who you mean, isn't it ?

[Armchair Detective]

There is no evidence that Nevill or June had any chance to fight back after getting shot and this is one of the facts that make JB the more likely killer because if NB is ambushed in bed, runs downstairs injured and is retreating, perhaps with the use of only one arm, this is no struggle, it's a one sided battering and execution. 

I would say a crazed Sheila could be put in the same position but you have to allow NB being downstairs to make a phone call to Jeremy and then going upstairs to get shot. Consider also that JB's hands would be tougher and less prone to marks and abrasions from say, wielding a gun like a club.

[killingeve]

What do you mean ? JB didn't have a mark on him !

You said "his attacker was completely unmarked".  I thought you believed his attacker was Sheila?  If you do then you don't buy into 'Bill's' theories.