A Jeremy Scenario

[Adam]

Thanks QC I totally agree, I just don't understand the guilters arguments they seem to forget that JB is trying not to get caught!

I agree that Bamber would not attempt to force Nevill to go downstairs.

His aim was to kill him in the main bedroom. Then put the bedroom phone in the bedroom & take it off the hook.

The evidence shows Nevill was shot 4 times in that room. Twice from inches away in the face.

[Adam]

I am not sure I agree with this Cc:

"The twins were shot in their sleep.  He could not shoot Mr Bamber in his sleep because he wanted the phone call as his alibi."

So you are saying JB planned to let Nevil escape downstairs to the Kitchen? How is the phone call a alibi? I have read a load of posts from the guilters recently saying it proves his guilt, talk about having it both ways!

JB would have avoided a confrontation with Nevil at all costs, and he would not let him get anywhere near a phone.

Agree with that. See my previous post.

[Rob_]

Don't blame him for cycling. I wouldn't want to walk 6 miles.

Nor would I, but I would also try and avoid getting caught if I was planning the crime of the century and the police knew it was one of two people.

[Adam]

Nor would I, but I would also try and avoid getting caught if I was planning the crime of the century and the police knew it was one of two people.

As much chance of being seen if walking. He will be outside for hours, not minutes.

[Rob_]

I agree that Bamber would not attempt to force Nevill to go downstairs.

His aim was to kill him in the main bedroom. Then put the bedroom phone in the bedroom & take it off the hook.

The evidence shows Nevill was shot 4 times in that room. Twice from inches away in the face.

I thought the housekeeper knew that the phone was out of order Adam? or have I got my wires crossed?

[Adam]

Ideally Bamber wanted Nevill dead in or by the bed.

He could then position Nevill in a suitable position & put the bedroom phone in the bedroom & take it off the hook.

[Adam]

I thought the housekeeper knew that the phone was out of order Adam? or have I got my wires crossed?

The bedroom phone was working, but in the kitchen off the hook.

[Rob_]

The bedroom phone was working, but in the kitchen off the hook.

Yes but the housekeeper knew it had been moved to the kitchen?

[Adam]

Bamber is not going to shoot Nevill 4 times in the main bedroom, if he was planning to force Nevill to go downstairs.

Bamber just failed to land two more face shots onto Nevill, which would have surely killed him upstairs.

[Adam]

Yes but the housekeeper knew it had been moved to the kitchen?

Doesn't matter what the housekeeper knew.

In my view that phone was either already in the bedroom, or Bamber planned to put it there.

However Nevill got downstairs. 

[Rob_]

Bamber is not going to shoot Nevill 4 times in the main bedroom, if he was planning to force Nevill to go downstairs.

Bamber just failed to land two more face shots onto Nevill, which would have surely killed him upstairs.

Your idea of putting the phone back in the bedroom etc. is plausible if no one knows it was moved to the kitchen?

[Adam]

Your idea of putting the phone back in the bedroom etc. is plausible if no one knows it was moved to the kitchen?

Doesn't matter who knew where the phone was a day or week before.

The murder/suicide stance would have always been it was in the bedroom on the night.

[Rob_]

Doesn't matter who knew where the phone was a day or week before.

The murder/suicide stance would have always been it was in the bedroom on the night.

I agree that's what JB would have been hoping for, but risky putting the phone back in the bedroom if the housekeeper or someone else knew it was in the kitchen the day before?

[Adam]

I agree that's what JB would have been hoping for, but risky putting the phone back in the bedroom if the housekeeper or someone else knew it was in the kitchen the day before?

Risky. But it was the bedroom phone. And it was in working order. So nothing strange in it being there & Nevill calling Bamber from it.

[Rob_]

Risky. But it was the bedroom phone. And it was in working order. So nothing strange in it being there & Nevill calling Bamber from it.

Ok sounds plausible Adam.