A Jeremy Scenario

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The system invariably seems to honour those who've done bad. One person that springs to mind was that arrogant article paediatrician Meadows the supposed professor who sent women to their graves through wrongly accusing them of killing their children.

[Roch]

A grandson of mine was sent to war in Iraq. Fortunately he survived but saw 4 of his mates blown up in a roadside bomb.
He was made a sergeant and is now, if he already hasn't gone, joining other troops in the Ukraine.

He and his mates should never have been put in that position. According to Cambridge Cutie though, it's down to poor intelligence sources and the need to make decisions.

[guest29835]

Mr Bamber was shot four times upstairs evidenced by the casings.

Mrs Bamber was shot initially with her head on her pillow evidenced by the tracks of two of her gunshot wounds which correspond with exited bullets embedded in her pillow.

The fact the rifle is low calibre is irrelevant.  I have explained the lethality of the firearm to you previously by providing mathematical calculations based on the physics.

I have no idea what you mean by 'wasted bullets'?

As with much of what you say on here, you are half-clever.

The position of the spent cartridges found can only be considered a rough guide, at best.  Quite simply, there is no reliable evidence that Nevill was shot upstairs or that he went upstairs at all that night.

I don't accept that a bullet or bullet hole in a pillow proves that June was shot while still in bed.  The bed was in the line of sight of shots, and bullets can hit the bed as well as they can hit people.

I do not say that a low calibre rifle is non-lethal, but low calibre is typically not as lethal as high calibre.  Obviously it's not simple as there are factors to consider, but calibre of the murder weapon will always be relevant.  As will range of shot and bullet type.  I think Jeremy would have had enough ballistic nous to understand that with a .22 rifle, he needed it fully-loaded and he needed all his targets except Sheila to be in bed, with shots to the head at reasonably close range, while at the same time allowing that he was staging Sheila running amok and needed to bear that in mind too.

This explains the shots to the twins, which were executed efficiently.  The others were not, but he had taken the precaution of filling the magazine.  Frankly, it would have been daft for him to just put half a magazine in. 

Wasted bullets means bullets that did not hit their target.  There were some.

I don't recall you providing mathematical calculations of your own based on physics, but you may have done.  I remember a post from you in which you provided figures from Eley.  By all means, if you link back to the post, I will look at it again.  I can't remember what I said about it when I saw it.

[Adam]

As with much of what you say on here, you are half-clever.

The position of the spent cartridges found can only be considered a rough guide, at best.  Quite simply, there is no reliable evidence that Nevill was shot upstairs or that he went upstairs at all that night.

I don't accept that a bullet or bullet hole in a pillow proves that June was shot while still in bed.  The bed was in the line of sight of shots, and bullets can hid the bed as well as they can hit people.

I do not say that a low calibre rifle is non-lethal, but low calibre is typically not as lethal as high calibre.  Obviously it's not simple as there are factors to consider, but calibre of the murder weapon will always be relevant.  As will range of shot and bullet type.  I think Jeremy would have had enough ballistic nous to understand that with a .22 rifle, he needed it fully-loaded and he needed all his targets except Sheila to be in bed, with shots to the head at reasonably close range, while at the same time allowing that he was staging Sheila running amok and needed to bear that in mind too.

This explains the shots to the twins, which were executed efficiently.  The others were not, but he had taken the precaution of filling the magazine.  Frankly, it would have been daft for him to just put half a magazine in. 

Wasted bullets means bullets that did not hit their target.  There were some.

I don't recall you providing mathematical calculations of your own based on physics, but you may have done.  I remember a post from you in which you provided figures from Eley.  By all means, if you link back to the post, I will look at it again.  I can't remember what I said about it when I saw it.

He was found bare footed & in pyjamas - bed attire.

[Adam]

As with much of what you say on here, you are half-clever.

The position of the spent cartridges found can only be considered a rough guide, at best.  Quite simply, there is no reliable evidence that Nevill was shot upstairs or that he went upstairs at all that night.

I don't accept that a bullet or bullet hole in a pillow proves that June was shot while still in bed.  The bed was in the line of sight of shots, and bullets can hid the bed as well as they can hit people.

I do not say that a low calibre rifle is non-lethal, but low calibre is typically not as lethal as high calibre.  Obviously it's not simple as there are factors to consider, but calibre of the murder weapon will always be relevant.  As will range of shot and bullet type.  I think Jeremy would have had enough ballistic nous to understand that with a .22 rifle, he needed it fully-loaded and he needed all his targets except Sheila to be in bed, with shots to the head at reasonably close range, while at the same time allowing that he was staging Sheila running amok and needed to bear that in mind too.

This explains the shots to the twins, which were executed efficiently.  The others were not, but he had taken the precaution of filling the magazine.  Frankly, it would have been daft for him to just put half a magazine in. 

Wasted bullets means bullets that did not hit their target.  There were some.

I don't recall you providing mathematical calculations of your own based on physics, but you may have done.  I remember a post from you in which you provided figures from Eley.  By all means, if you link back to the post, I will look at it again.  I can't remember what I said about it when I saw it.

There was blood all over June's pillow.

The evidence is she was shot 5 times in bed.

[Munksa]

When thousands of public money is being spent on another huge investigation into the case I and every tax payer deserves full transparency. There is not a single reason why Jeremy’s solicitors do not deserve to have full transparency

There is another documentary being commissioned as we speak and if this shows the case from start to finish there will be more than enough pressure to proof this is an unsafe conviction

Nobody has got close to broadcasting the full details of the case, evidence and witnesses
It will be the biggest true crime documentary about a British case but won’t be produced in this country for obvious reasons but will be broadcast worldwide

Why hadn't Bamber and his team transparent about why his case was rejected in 2012? Where is the transparency you talk of. As you say we paid for all this so arnt we entitled?

Unless something NEW emerges, they can make as many documentaries as  they like, who cares? The subject matter will be the same, same old same old, going round in circles for entertainment purpose. If Bamber is freed it will be on NEW evidence to CCRC and a referral to COA. His freedom depending on a documentary?  well to that I will say in your favourite word, Hilarious!

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Is the red forum redundant or something ??

[Munksa]

Meanwhile, we live in a country where a former prime minister who took us to war on a pack of lives, causing mass death and destruction, is given a knighthood.

Time someone spoke the truth and more people realize. Truth is bitter and hard to swallow sometimes.  I agree with your comment whole heartedly.

[guest29835]

He was found bare footed & in pyjamas - bed attire.

That point is explained within the scenario.

[Adam]

That point is explained within the scenario.

He went to bed?

[guest29835]

There was blood all over June's pillow.

The evidence is she was shot 5 times in bed.

I am not being dogmatic about it.  I do disagree with you, but I also acknowledge that you may be right.  Something in your favour is that it was a low calibre weapon.

However, for you to be correct about this, that would mean June is getting up and out of bed when she is injured and while the assailant continues firing at her.  Remember where she is found and in what position: on her back by the bed with her feet near to the door, and with blood around the bed, all of which suggests she has been moving around.  Consider her age.  She is an elderly woman, and she may be in shock.

Bear in mind also the psychology of this.  If Jeremy is the killer and he has caught Nevill and June still in bed, then he will shoot Nevill first, not June.  I think you undermine your own case when you try to suggest that Jeremy is firing on June first.  If Nevill is in bed, then it's easy for Jeremy.  He has plenty of time and can walk up to Nevill and shoot him at close range, then shoot him some more as part of the staging to make it look like Sheila run amok.

Finally, also take into account the position of the brass bed itself.  it is at right-angles to Jeremy's likely route of assault.

Taking all this into consideration, I find it more likely that a Jeremy scenario involves Jeremy negating Nevill downstairs (Nevill having decided to sleep downstairs, for the reasons given) and Jeremy then goes back up the stairs and finds June on the landing.  As June backs into the master bedroom, he fires on her.  She backs into her bed, where she leaves more blood, then comes about two feet forward towards Jeremy, probably screaming.  Then he kills her by shooting her between the eyes (this last shot occurring either there and then as just described, or later if he finds her still alive).

I think the police then moved June's body.  Her body was probably originally found with her feet somewhat at the threshold, Jeremy firing from the stairs, then the landing.  The reason I think this is because if you look at the poor woman's body in the photos, the position she is photographed in doesn't make sense. It looks like her body is laid flat and has been 'staged' by somebody.

This all fits the evidence - if you assume Jeremy is guilty.

[Adam]

When thousands of public money is being spent on another huge investigation into the case I and every tax payer deserves full transparency. There is not a single reason why Jeremy’s solicitors do not deserve to have full transparency

There is another documentary being commissioned as we speak and if this shows the case from start to finish there will be more than enough pressure to proof this is an unsafe conviction

Nobody has got close to broadcasting the full details of the case, evidence and witnesses
It will be the biggest true crime documentary about a British case but won’t be produced in this country for obvious reasons but will be broadcast worldwide

I thought you were going to make a 6 part documentary. Five of the six episodes on Julie.

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June's body was moved QC---from a sitting position on the floor with the bedroom door keeping her propped up to the splayed-out position flat on her back. The proof being the "brush stroke" of blood against the inside of the door.

[Jane]

I thought you were going to make a 6 part documentary. Five of the six episodes on Julie.

There's ALWAYS "another documentary being commissioned", Adam, and with it the hope that the next one will be in favour of JB's innocence. Thus far, that hope has been vain. Perhaps she should think about funding one which meets her requirements?

[JackieD]

Time someone spoke the truth and more people realize. Truth is bitter and hard to swallow sometimes.  I agree with your comment whole heartedly.

Especially forum members that make up stories about having sex in prison . Dont you think