Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

 

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

Did they?

How did that help AE?

[David1819]

He was technically proficient though.

Who was?

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

Was AE shown the crime scene photos. Days after the massacre?

Didn't know AE was a high ranking officer in EP. 

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

Did they?

Oh yes & AE was given access to the crime scene photos.

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

Did they. Who told them?

Just need to find out about all the other shots. 

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

Stan Jones gave AE the keys after it was no longer a crime scene.

[Adam]

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

Period blood. In a bucket of water.

[Roch]

Who was?

Cook. He also had his own forensics business afterwards. Think it was called 'Dabs' or something.

[David1819]

Its worth pointing out that there are three possible sources for the blood.

The 1st being the blood AE took home (already covered in this topic)

Jeremy wrote to mike in 2010 saying he believes his relatives contaminated the silencer with Nevil and Junes blood. Since they had access to the scene and AE was cleaning up Nevills blood from the kitchen floor and there was also Junes blood on the door upstairs.  Although possible I find it less probable.

Then you have Robert Boutflour using his own blood, also possible but I also find it less probable.

[David1819]

Cook. He also had his own forensics business afterwards. Think it was called 'Dabs' or something.

And? He started his own fingerprinting consultancy. What's wrong with that?

[Adam]

Its worth pointing out that their are three possible sources for the blood.

The 1st being the blood AE took home (already covered in this topic)

Jeremy wrote to mike in 2010 saying he believes his relatives contaminated the silencer with Nevil and Junes blood. Since they had access to the scene and AE was cleaning up Nevills blood from the kitchen floor and there was also Junes blood on the door upstairs.  Although possible I find it less probable.

Then you have Robert Boutflour using his own blood, also possible but I also find it less probable.

The evidence is it was Sheila's blood. With a remote possibility of it being a mixture of Nevill's & June's.

Doubt there was any blood inside WHF when AE was given access. Carpets had been burned & the crime scene cleared up.

But if there was, I'm sure AE was on her hands & knees trying to scrape dried blood up.

I thought AE knew Bamber had told the police the silencer was not attached to the rifle.

[Adam]

Its worth pointing out that there are three possible sources for the blood.

The 1st being the blood AE took home (already covered in this topic)

Jeremy wrote to mike in 2010 saying he believes his relatives contaminated the silencer with Nevil and Junes blood. Since they had access to the scene and AE was cleaning up Nevills blood from the kitchen floor and there was also Junes blood on the door upstairs.  Although possible I find it less probable.

Then you have Robert Boutflour using his own blood, also possible but I also find it less probable.

I thought AE knew Bamber had told the police the silencer was not attached to the rifle.

Poor RB. Just a farmer seeing out the final years of his life. Accused of putting his own blood into a silencer. To frame an innocent man of killing his family.

[Roch]

And? He started his own fingerprinting consultancy. What's wrong with that?

I'm just saying he had the technical nous regarding forensics. He also happens to be the other detective complained about in one of the grounds.

[guest29835]

Ok he walked out of the kitchen into the corridor & put the silencer away where he got it from.

After shooting Sheila & prior to burning Nevill's back.

Bamber agreed in 2012 Nevill's back was burnt minus silencer. This supports him taking it off downstairs & putting it away.

No.  If he did it and if he used the silencer, he walked out of the kitchen into the back corridor, then into the den, where he replaced the silencer in the gun cupboard.