Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.

[killingeve]

David is being very optimistic about no bone fragments in the silencer. Even the Campaign for Freedom has never made this suggestion since forming in 1986.

But David has a source saying there were bone fragments from pigs heads! Although did not say what gun was used.

Did it form in 1986? 

[Adam]

Did it form in 1986?

Believe in the 80's the 'Campaign for Freedom' was Jeremy & Mike.

[killingeve]

Believe in the 80's the 'Campaign for Freedom' was Jeremy & Mike.

I was just thinking about the current support group which I think formed much later.

I was watching a prog the other eve about the Cardiff 3.  Just reinforces the view that if Bamber was innocent his conviction would have been overturned by now especially given all the support he has.

[Adam]

I was just thinking about the current support group which I think formed much later.

I was watching a prog the other eve about the Cardiff 3.  Just reinforces the view that if Bamber was innocent his conviction would have been overturned by now especially given all the support he has.

Assume the CT formed after the internet.

[Adam]

Good that David is able to answer the holes in his AE fabricating the silencer time sequence.

[Adam]

One of the points in Adams gish gallop is that the relatives must know

"Who of the 5 deceased received contact shots."

Why would they need to know this? If they knew they would have attempted to plant the twins blood in the silencer to corroborate NCs contact wounds. They didn't know hence there is none. 

 

Well no contact shots. No back spatter.

If all 5 received contact shots, be surprising if only Sheila's blood was found in the silencer.

[Adam]

AE would first have to find out if Sheila received a contact shot/s. Then find out where.

Then find out about the other 23 shot locations.

[killingeve]

"The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.

Gish Gallops are almost always performed with numerous other logical fallacies baked in. The myriad of component arguments constituting the Gallop may typically intersperse a few perfectly uncontroversial claims — the basic validity of which are intended to lend undue credence to the Gallop at large — with a devious hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies, red herrings and straw men — which, if not rebutted as the fallacies they are, pile up into egregious problems for the refuter."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Just answer the points.  Surely easy if your theory about Mrs Eaton contaminating the silencer with diluted period blood from the bucket stacks up with a ratio of about one to a million.  That's one part period blood to a million parts water.  This theory has been doing the rounds since the days of the McKenzie group in the 80's.  I wonder if the support group have included it in the 2021 submission?

[Adam]

Nicholas Caffell suffered three contact wounds in an area most likely to produce backspatter. If AE knew this it may have deterred her from trying but I doubt it. Desperate times calls for desperate measures she would either lose her livelihood or wind up living the "cuckoos" pocket.

You previously said Sheila's shots were in an area of high blood flow.

Anyway it's much too outlandish to suggest AE would -

Have the idea.

Persuade relatives.

Find everything out in such a short time.

Attempt to frame a (then) innocent man of killing his own family.

[killingeve]

Nicholas Caffell suffered three contact wounds in an area most likely to produce backspatter. If AE knew this it may have deterred her from trying but I doubt it. Desperate times calls for desperate measures she would either lose her livelihood or wind up living the "cuckoos" pocket.

Contact or close contact wounds don't always result in backspatter but you know this from what you've posted in the past. 

[guest29835]

Just answer the points. Surely easy if your theory about Mrs Eaton contaminating the silencer with diluted period blood from the bucket stacks up with a ratio of about one to a million.  That's one part period blood to a million parts water.  This theory has been doing the rounds since the days of the McKenzie group in the 80's.  I wonder if the support group have included it in the 2021 submission?

FYI:

All of Adam's points have been answered and replied to at least several times.  This topic has been gone over before, in detail, and I have replied previously to the specific points Adam raises now on this thread.

The problem is that Adam does not develop his views in response to the points and arguments people put to him.  He just parrots the same points over and over and over again for months and years on end.  In the end, most posters give up and either ignore him or leave the Forum altogether.

[Adam]

The experts did say there was a 'remote' possibility of it being a mixture of June's & Nevill's blood.

Nevill recieving contact shots to the head in the kitchen. June shot in the neck.

No mention of any missing potential bone fragments from Nevill, Daniel or Nicholas. 

It was back spatter blood or nothing.

[Adam]

FYI:

All of Adam's points have been answered and replied to at least several times.  This topic has been gone over before, in detail, and I have replied previously to the specific points Adam raises now on this thread.

The problem is that Adam does not develop his views in response to the points and arguments people put to him.  He just parrots the same points over and over and over again for months and years on end.  In the end, most posters give up and either ignore him or leave the Forum altogether.

No they haven't.

Besides which you have created a thread - time sequence.

So must answer basic questions or don't create the thread.

[guest29835]

No they haven't.

Besides which you have created a thread - time sequence.

So must answer basic questions or don't create the thread.

They have.

And there is no rule that people who create threads have to answer questions, still less accept questions from you.

[killingeve]

The experts did say there was a 'remote' possibility of it being a mixture of June's & Nevill's blood.

Nevill recieving contact shots to the head in the kitchen. June shot in the neck.

No mention of any missing potential bone fragments from Nevill, Daniel or Nicholas. 

It was back spatter blood or nothing.

No evidence Mr Bamber received any contact shots. 

62. Mr Fletcher also gave evidence of the range at which the shots had been fired. The lower (and not immediately fatal) of the injuries suffered by Sheila Caffell was caused when the muzzle of the gun was within three inches of the throat. The upper injury was a contact shot.

63. Of the seven injuries suffered by June Bamber, five were shots from the gun held at least one foot away from the body. The bullet wound between the eyes was fired from less than one foot away, and could have been with the gun in contact with the skin, although he viewed that as unlikely. Mr Fletcher was unable to estimate the range of the shot which had caused the injury to the right side of Mrs Bamber's chest.

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

65. As regards the twins, four of the five injuries suffered by Daniel were caused when the gun was held within one foot of his head, the fifth was from over two feet away. The three wounds to Nicholas were contact or close proximity shots.