Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.

[Rob_]

But what about Adams "37 holes"?    Did they not convince you otherwise? 

No  not at all David.

[killingeve]

You claim you have already refuted this, so just post the link, its not difficult?

Why do I need to refute the abrasion rings when the review commission didn't even bother?  There's no need to refute the abrasion rings because it doesn't explain the blood or scratches?  One expert wil give one opinion and one another.  This can be evidenced by the burns expert in US saying the marks on Mr Bamber's back were burns caused by the heating of the rifle barrel.  And yet at trial Prof Knight, defence pathologist, did not even think they were burns let alone caused by the heating of the rifle barrel!

For the 3rd time what forensic literature are you going by? If you are not going to provide it I will make the reasonable assumption you have made this up.

PS: Nicholas Cafell was shot on the cheek bone and above the eyebrow thus those shots were not "protected by hair" 

What literature are you going by?  If you are not going to provide it I will make the reasonable assumption you have made this up. 

I will concede I got mixed up over the twins and the different wounds they suffered. 

[David1819]

Why do I need to refute the abrasion rings when the review commission didn't even bother? 

According to you, you already have "everywhere!!". So just post the link 

[David1819]

What literature are you going by?  If you are not going to provide it I will make the reasonable assumption you have made this up. 

Detection of Bone and Bone-Plus-Bullet Particles in Backspatter from Close-Range Shots to Heads," Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 36, No. 6, 1991, pp. 1745-1752,

 

[killingeve]

Detection of Bone and Bone-Plus-Bullet Particles in Backspatter from Close-Range Shots to Heads," Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 36, No. 6, 1991, pp. 1745-1752,

 

Of course that tells me everything I need to know?     Post up the link or shut up!

You have quoted VDM in the past, I've read your back posts, re blood found inside firearms.  It happens a % of the time not all the time.  My view is a person's physiology plays a part which means every case will be different and can't be generalised.

In any event Ed Lawson challenged Malcolm Fletcher on all of this at trial.

[lookout]

Besides blood in the silencer I haven't heard tell of any other fragments----bone/ tissue etc. It didn't appear to be mentioned in any of the reports, unless I've missed it.

[killingeve]

Besides blood in the silencer I haven't heard tell of any other fragments----bone/ tissue etc. It didn't appear to be mentioned in any of the reports, unless I've missed it.

No you didn't miss it, which makes a refreshing change, so you're obviously improving which can only be a good thing.

Nothing was found other than blood.

[lookout]

No you didn't miss it, which makes a refreshing change, so you're obviously improving which can only be a good thing.

Nothing was found other than blood.

Thank the Lord for that.

[David1819]

No  not at all David.

I didn't think so. Good thing I never read them in the first place.

[guest29835]

Besides blood in the silencer I haven't heard tell of any other fragments----bone/ tissue etc. It didn't appear to be mentioned in any of the reports, unless I've missed it.

Yes, this is another suspicious factor.

[Adam]

And here is 22 of those holes. Which you have been addressed.

AE would need to know -

Is Bamber innocent.

Sheila's arm lenght.

The rifle lenght with silencer.

Could Sheila have shot herself with the silencer attached.

What back splatter is.

Who of the 5 deceased received contact shots.

What locations would contact shots need to be to produce back splatter.

Where were the contact shots on the 5 deceased.

Is there any other forensic evidence against Sheila.

Was there a silencer next to Sheila.

How to realistically put blood into a silencer.

Where was Sheila's blood to insert into a silencer.

Did the rifle barrell already have blood on/in.

Did the crime scene photos show an unscratched aga.

How to realistically scratch the aga.

Had the police already checked all silencers at WHF.

The chance of this one piece of framed evidence getting a conviction.

The punishment if caught doing this.

Confidence the other relatives that none would succumb to police pressure.

Sheila's blood group.

The blood group of each other.

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This had to be found out very quickly. Providing AE had the idea & decided to go ahead

[guest29835]

And here is 22 of those holes. Which have not been addressed.

AE would need to know -

Is Bamber innocent.

Sheila's arm lenght.

The rifle lenght with silencer.

Could Sheila have shot herself with the silencer attached.

What back splatter is.

Who of the 5 deceased received contact shots.

What locations would contact shots need to be to produce back splatter.

Where were the contact shots on the 5 deceased.

Is there any other forensic evidence against Sheila.

Was there a silencer next to Sheila.

How to realistically put blood into a silencer.

Where was Sheila's blood to insert into a silencer.

Did the rifle barrell already have blood on/in.

Did the crime scene photos show an unscratched aga.

How to realistically scratch the aga.

Had the police already checked all silencers at WHF.

The chance of this one piece of framed evidence getting a conviction.

The punishment if caught doing this.

Confidence the other relatives that none would succumb to police pressure.

Sheila's blood group.

The blood group of each other.

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This had to be found out very quickly. Providing AE had the idea & decided to go ahead

Thanks Adam.  I nearly fell for what smooth-tongued David was saying there.  It's lucky you're here to put me on the right track.  I just wish I'd taken your advice and not turned up at the demo in my surfing gear.  How was I supposed to know you can't surf along Tollesbury Road?  Anyway, these things are sent to try us!

[killingeve]

Yes, this is another suspicious factor.

Is it?  What would you expect to find?  Fibres from the wringing out of the diluted period blood stained knickers found soaking in a bucket of water?

[Adam]

David is being very optimistic about no bone fragments in the silencer. Even the Campaign for Freedom has never made this suggestion since forming in 1986.

But David has a source saying there were bone fragments from pigs heads! Although did not say what gun was used.

[Adam]

Besides blood in the silencer I haven't heard tell of any other fragments----bone/ tissue etc. It didn't appear to be mentioned in any of the reports, unless I've missed it.

You are not mistaken.