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Offline JackieD

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2021, 02:05:PM »

Would you do anything which assisted the person you believed responsible for slaughtering your entire family? Why would you? Why would they? Try putting the boot on the other foot, for once.

How would is it assist the person the person you believed responsible for slaughtering the Bamber family if it did not prove innocence. it would put an end to the case once and for all. I am putting the boot on my foot.

You are defending the witholding of evidence and can give no good reason for your actions
Your post says it all about you
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2021, 02:14:PM »




I haven't got any information from the CT Jane as I doubt that they'd know about that little gem. This came out in 2007 and was actually from a police officer.


Even more reason for such information to have been known. IF Nevill had had called 999 on previous occasions, it would most certainly have been noted that several such calls had been made, making it even harder for the latest one to have become 'lost'.

 It also gives rise to another question, why, when Sheila was such an infrequent visitor to the farm, and MAY have, on some of those occasions, been transported by Colin, was no one else/Colin? informed that her behaviours had given SUCH concern that other help had been called for? I don't believe Nevill had ever called the police. I think he probably had Dr Ferguson's number and any call/calls for help, were made to him. It seems to be forgotten that, for the most part, Sheila lived on her own. She may not have lived well, but she muddled through. Nothing much seems to have occurred, in the way of crises, during that time, other than the one incident when Freddie called Nevill, and even then, Nevill didn't think it necessary to rush to London. He called Dr Ferguson.

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« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2021, 02:20:PM »
How would is it assist the person the person you believed responsible for slaughtering the Bamber family if it did not prove innocence. it would put an end to the case once and for all. I am putting the boot on my foot.

You are defending the witholding of evidence and can give no good reason for your actions
Your post says it all about you


Or putting it in? ;D Let me make it clear. Had it been a member of my family who I believed innocent, I'd have made a lot of noise about it, and I'd have been doing my damnedest to get them out. ON THE OTHER HAND, if I believed that family member to be guilty, I'd be doing exactly what the family is now doing ie, keeping as dignified a silence as possible.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2021, 02:30:PM »

Or putting it in? ;D Let me make it clear. Had it been a member of my family who I believed innocent, I'd have made a lot of noise about it, and I'd have been doing my damnedest to get them out. ON THE OTHER HAND, if I believed that family member to be guilty, I'd be doing exactly what the family is now doing ie, keeping as dignified a silence as possible.

you cant resist can you. Every post you come across as a vile sad women who sits on two forums with nothing better to do with her life.  I can categorically state if I was a member of the family I would be fighting to get everything disclosed so one way or another Jeremy Bamber would be released or kept in prison.

No new evidence in disclosure case closed once and for all
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2021, 02:40:PM »

Even more reason for such information to have been known. IF Nevill had had called 999 on previous occasions, it would most certainly have been noted that several such calls had been made, making it even harder for the latest one to have become 'lost'.

 It also gives rise to another question, why, when Sheila was such an infrequent visitor to the farm, and MAY have, on some of those occasions, been transported by Colin, was no one else/Colin? informed that her behaviours had given SUCH concern that other help had been called for? I don't believe Nevill had ever called the police. I think he probably had Dr Ferguson's number and any call/calls for help, were made to him. It seems to be forgotten that, for the most part, Sheila lived on her own. She may not have lived well, but she muddled through. Nothing much seems to have occurred, in the way of crises, during that time, other than the one incident when Freddie called Nevill, and even then, Nevill didn't think it necessary to rush to London. He called Dr Ferguson.







A lot of people would have kept quiet about mental illness back then as it wasn't recognised as it is today. The neighbour who'd reported screaming in the early hours would have been one incident reported then her behaviour at WHF was obviously cause to request assistance which it could well have been mentioned about the guns on the premises then especially if the boys had been there.

My argument is why keep anything until 2054, what's the point in that ? Though the object is that JB will be dead but it all seems very iffy to me. Why wait until then ? I haven't come across this before exect when innocent people were hanged, then posthumously exonerated years later which is no use to anyone least of all relatives of the dead who'd be dead themselves.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2021, 02:46:PM »
you cant resist can you. Every post you come across as a vile sad women who sits on two forums with nothing better to do with her life.  I can categorically state if I was a member of the family I would be fighting to get everything disclosed so one way or another Jeremy Bamber would be released or kept in prison.

No new evidence in disclosure case closed once and for all


Much noise spews from your mouth, but there's little, by way of intelligence to back it. SHOULD members here be interested -and you're probably the only one who makes it their business to be, and even then, you lie through your teeth- they're perfectly free to take a trip over to Red to verify -in this case, catch you out as a liar- what you say, AND see how little I post there.

I truly fail to see why, if you were family, you'd be looking for something to keep him in prison when he's on a whole life sentence. It can hardly be prolonged, can it.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #66 on: November 26, 2021, 02:57:PM »
What JB hadn't known until years later when documents were released to him was that Nevill had phoned  the police, dialling 999 which was before JB tried ringing his father back after Nevill's call to JB. His father in his call had said to police that Sheila was threatening the family.

These documents were being sorted by JB and another prisoner at the time. Would the jury have convicted if they'd have known this ?

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« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2021, 02:59:PM »






A lot of people would have kept quiet about mental illness back then as it wasn't recognised as it is today. The neighbour who'd reported screaming in the early hours would have been one incident reported then her behaviour at WHF was obviously cause to request assistance which it could well have been mentioned about the guns on the premises then especially if the boys had been there.

My argument is why keep anything until 2054, what's the point in that ? Though the object is that JB will be dead but it all seems very iffy to me. Why wait until then ? I haven't come across this before exect when innocent people were hanged, then posthumously exonerated years later which is no use to anyone least of all relatives of the dead who'd be dead themselves.


Lookout, I truly don't know anything about a neighbour calling emergency services because of screaming. For one thing, the Folkes were trusted employees and good friends of the Bambers. They'd have made it their business ,HAD they heard screams, -and I emphatically believe their house to have been too far away from WHF, for a scream to have carried that far- to rush to the Bambers to offer their help. I also believe, HAD such occurred, that both the housekeeper and the farm secretary would have known, if only to ensure they knew the truth, NOT Chinese Whispers.

As to why is 'stuff' being held until 2054? Well, okay, I'll be sorry not to be around then, but at the end of the day, it's none of my business, really. The family, whose concern it is for now, will be another 3/4 generations down the line and eventually, although one or two of them might show some interest in their past, it will fade into the mists of time.

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« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2021, 03:04:PM »
What JB hadn't known until years later when documents were released to him was that Nevill had phoned  the police, dialling 999 which was before JB tried ringing his father back after Nevill's call to JB. His father in his call had said to police that Sheila was threatening the family.

These documents were being sorted by JB and another prisoner at the time. Would the jury have convicted if they'd have known this ?


Lookout, whilst I accept that you received the information from someone, for the reasons I gave, I don't believe a word of it, because I don't believe anything JB says. There was no reason on God's earth, to hide that a call had been received from Nevill. His raison d'etre is getting out of prison, and I'm certain he'd rather do it by bringing down an entire police force, than getting out on a technicality.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2021, 03:55:PM »

Lookout, whilst I accept that you received the information from someone, for the reasons I gave, I don't believe a word of it, because I don't believe anything JB says. There was no reason on God's earth, to hide that a call had been received from Nevill. His raison d'etre is getting out of prison, and I'm certain he'd rather do it by bringing down an entire police force, than getting out on a technicality.

You are truly losing your marbles.
But you CHOOSE to believe July Mugford
Now you are making false accusations the Jeremy is trying to bring down an entire police force
Please seek help
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #70 on: November 26, 2021, 03:58:PM »

Lookout, whilst I accept that you received the information from someone, for the reasons I gave, I don't believe a word of it, because I don't believe anything JB says. There was no reason on God's earth, to hide that a call had been received from Nevill. His raison d'etre is getting out of prison, and I'm certain he'd rather do it by bringing down an entire police force, than getting out on a technicality.






The call wasn't hidden Jane, it was misinterpreted as being from one Bamber when in fact there were two Bambers who'd rang that night/ morning. It's an easy enough mistake to make when the concentration plus talking to other officers in the same room, is distracted.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #71 on: November 26, 2021, 04:04:PM »
You are truly losing your marbles.
But you CHOOSE to believe July Mugford
Now you are making false accusations the Jeremy is trying to bring down an entire police force
Please seek help


PLEASE will you learn to read what's written, rather than what you make up. Certainly, I believe the gist of Julie's story, but I suspect there to be more, that she hasn't told, rather than less of it. That means JB can't say what she's left out because it would prove what he presently denies.

NOW, can you please quote, from my post, those words you claim me to have said. ie "JB is trying to..........",

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #72 on: November 26, 2021, 04:12:PM »





The call wasn't hidden Jane, it was misinterpreted as being from one Bamber when in fact there were two Bambers who'd rang that night/ morning. It's an easy enough mistake to make when the concentration plus talking to other officers in the same room, is distracted.


The problem is Lookout, I simply don't believe such to have been possible, much as I know you want it to be. I saw what was on the first message, and I saw it as it was taken down. I also saw two different telephone numbers. As West said, HAD there been another call, rather than let him waste time in relaying it a second time, Bonnet would have stopped him. You don't know that there was a room full of other officers who caused a distraction. You can only say there might have been because it aids your belief that there were two calls.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #73 on: November 26, 2021, 04:44:PM »

Lookout, I truly don't know anything about a neighbour calling emergency services because of screaming. For one thing, the Folkes were trusted employees and good friends of the Bambers. They'd have made it their business ,HAD they heard screams, -and I emphatically believe their house to have been too far away from WHF, for a scream to have carried that far- to rush to the Bambers to offer their help. I also believe, HAD such occurred, that both the housekeeper and the farm secretary would have known, if only to ensure they knew the truth, NOT Chinese Whispers.

As to why is 'stuff' being held until 2054? Well, okay, I'll be sorry not to be around then, but at the end of the day, it's none of my business, really. The family, whose concern it is for now, will be another 3/4 generations down the line and eventually, although one or two of them might show some interest in their past, it will fade into the mists of time.






This incident was at Maida Vale.

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Re: Demonstration et Chelmsford Police HQ Today
« Reply #74 on: November 26, 2021, 05:04:PM »





This incident was at Maida Vale.


Oh! The prelude to her breakdown? It's highly unlikely that the police in that area, HAD they been contacted, would have passed such information to Essex Police, don't you think? I think they'd have been more likely to contact Colin? I feel certain that a domestic incident wouldn't have been high on their list of priorities