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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2021, 07:08:PM »
I believe the onus is on guilters to explain why Jeremy would want to delay the police.  I have never seen a plausible explanation and I can only think of one: which is that Sheila was the killer, not Jeremy, but Jeremy would be happy to see all the family dead, so delayed the police as much as he could for that reason.

I have also never seen any guilter explain how Jeremy could have impeded police at the scene.  Was Bews taking orders from Jeremy?

Creating a siege situation is a good move by Bamber. Not hard to do. Just mention Nevill's call, guns & say Sheila is a 'looney' & knows how to use them. But that takes time.

Bamber is simultaneously being helpful. Drawing WHF diagrams etc.

No movement or noise means everyone expects the worst upon entry - Sheila with a rifle on top of her.
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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2021, 07:09:PM »

Rob, were you a good boy at school, or did you stray into realms of bad behaviour? If you did -and I'm not suggesting REAL naughtiness, because it's all relative- can you remember how it felt when the time came to explain yourself/try to get yourself out of trouble? Did you face up to it immediately, or did you string it out for as long as possible to give yourself some extra time?

I don't follow.  We're talking about somebody who has - supposedly - carried out the planned killing of his entire family in cold blood, including two young boys.  This isn't naughtiness.  This is, I keep being assured, a premeditated act.

Plus, the delay you talk about is entirely contrived by Jeremy's accusers.  We don't know when exactly he received the call and then made outward calls.  I once considered this in detail and concluded it was something like ten or so minutes.  Given that the call from his father was not an emergency call, as such, and it was unclear to him what was actually happening, he may well have dithered, called his girlfriend, etc.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2021, 07:09:PM »
Creating a siege situation is a good move by Bamber. Not hard to do. Just mention Nevill's call, guns & say Sheila is a 'looney' & knows how to use them. But that takes time.

Bamber is simultaneously being helpful. Drawing WHF diagrams etc.

No movement or noise means everyone expects the worst upon entry - Sheila with a rifle on top of her.

Why did they wait four hours then?

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2021, 07:10:PM »

Rob, were you a good boy at school, or did you stray into realms of bad behaviour? If you did -and I'm not suggesting REAL naughtiness, because it's all relative- can you remember how it felt when the time came to explain yourself/try to get yourself out of trouble? Did you face up to it immediately, or did you string it out for as long as possible to give yourself some extra time?

No I was never in trouble at school Jane, though at primary school I used to hide a chess board under the table that's as bad as I got.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2021, 07:16:PM »
No I was never in trouble at school Jane, though at primary school I used to hide a chess board under the table that's as bad as I got.


Then, unless you can empathize with it, you'll have no idea why JB delayed his every action.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2021, 07:17:PM »
I don't follow.  We're talking about somebody who has - supposedly - carried out the planned killing of his entire family in cold blood, including two young boys.  This isn't naughtiness.  This is, I keep being assured, a premeditated act.

Plus, the delay you talk about is entirely contrived by Jeremy's accusers.  We don't know when exactly he received the call and then made outward calls.  I once considered this in detail and concluded it was something like ten or so minutes.  Given that the call from his father was not an emergency call, as such, and it was unclear to him what was actually happening, he may well have dithered, called his girlfriend, etc.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2021, 07:18:PM »
IF

Your point?  I'm talking about the delay ascribed to Jeremy by people like you.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2021, 07:19:PM »
Why did they wait four hours then?

No idea.
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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2021, 07:23:PM »

Then, unless you can empathize with it, you'll have no idea why JB delayed his every action.

I see what you are saying, but he is committing a crime with only two possible suspects. Yet at every turn he appears to take the worst course of action.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2021, 07:23:PM »
Your point?  I'm talking about the delay ascribed to Jeremy by people like you.

You were talking about the call from Mr Bamber to Bamber as legit when its anything but!

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2021, 07:24:PM »
No idea.
The fire arms team arrived at 5.00am Collins wanted to go in earlier with one team, Adams overruled him because of the size of the farmhouse and outer buildings and containment, so back up was sent for and they went in at 7.30am

I’ve seen a total of 12 armed officers before on a siege and not a fraction the size of WHF.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2021, 07:24:PM »
I see what you are saying, but he is committing a crime with only two possible suspects. Yet at every turn he appears to take the worst course of action.

I'm just glad they didn't find that advert of his in the local paper, Rob.  That would have been the clincher.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2021, 07:25:PM »
You were talking about the call from Mr Bamber to Bamber as legit when its anything but!

No, I wasn't.  You just haven't understood the context of the post. 

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2021, 07:25:PM »
No idea.

Maybe because Bews situation report said movement in house?

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #89 on: November 22, 2021, 07:26:PM »
No I was never in trouble at school Jane, though at primary school I used to hide a chess board under the table that's as bad as I got.
What at that age, I’m not playing you I bet your a Grandmaster you need a challenge from NGB I’m afraid.