My Challenge To The Supporters

[Adam]

My view of the defence team is no different.

Surprising. Usually it is just supporters who claim the defence team were no good.

[lookout]

They were only as good as the evidence presented to them. Make of it what you wish.

[guest7363]

In 2017 I asked Jeremy via a third party about the tactics that Rivlin had prepared for the Trial. The following text is agreed by Jeremy as accurate. Jeremy said that Rivlin did not discuss tactics and said that he doesn't believe that he had any. Jeremy said Rivlin would not challenge the police and when Jeremy told him that he (Rivlin) had to expose the relatives as liars Rivlin told him "I can't do that". When Jeremy expressed to Rivlin that he ought to try to show that Sheila was responsible he said that he wasn't allowed to do that because Sheila wasn't being prosecuted, he was.

Jeremy said that during the trial Rivlin didn't challenge anyone, which is apparent from reading trial testimony. Indeed, Rivlin defended himself when Drake was giving him a mild dressing down by pointing out that he had only accused one witness, Julie Mugford, of lying on oath.

Jeremy said he is convinced that Rivlin had already conceded defeat before the trial commenced and was just going through the motions.

To be honest Bill I think you’ve written a very honest post and I do believe in part some off that.  A lot is decided before trial on the Questions and the Judge decides what line it takes and what goes in.  I do believe the Judge would have steered away from the Sheila on trial as well.  It is an eye opener for anyone going to court when you think, well this should be included and that should be included, when in fact it doesn’t get a mention.  I think that is why a lot who get convicted tend to blame their Barrister after and say they were let down, when  in fact it’s the Judge who has refused it to allow it in.

The Later about Rivlin conceding defeat, Im not sure about, it was a high profile case and it was watched (media) and covered by interest by a lot of the public, Rivlin was on show so he would try his best, maybe because his hands were tied it made it look that way Bill, but considering he didn’t do a bad Job I don’t think he would purposely let him down though. I do think he thought Bamber guilty and I know it’s not proven but, maybe there was some truth in the story about the Defence Psychiatrist branding him a Psychopath and this played on him a little, who knows?

[guest7363]

Nice one 

I thought the time savings were going to be dramatic but not really.

Hi CC, I don’t think the time savings are worth the wait.  The North needs help faster and I think they’ve realised this fact, it could be another 20 years before the link would be complete, besides the fact we’re Bikers up here now who needs bloody rail, get on your bike (Norman Tebbit);

[JackieD]

They were only as good as the evidence presented to them. Make of it what you wish.

What is crucial to everything being released re Sheila is the way mental health is looked at now and how many suicides happen through mental health

[JackieD]

To be honest Bill I think you’ve written a very honest post and I do believe in part some off that.  A lot is decided before trial on the Questions and the Judge decides what line it takes and what goes in.  I do believe the Judge would have steered away from the Sheila on trial as well.  It is an eye opener for anyone going to court when you think, well this should be included and that should be included, when in fact it doesn’t get a mention.  I think that is why a lot who get convicted tend to blame their Barrister after and say they were let down, when  in fact it’s the Judge who has refused it to allow it in.

The Later about Rivlin conceding defeat, Im not sure about, it was a high profile case and it was watched (media) and covered by interest by a lot of the public, Rivlin was on show so he would try his best, maybe because his hands were tied it made it look that way Bill, but considering he didn’t do a bad Job I don’t think he would purposely let him down though. I do think he thought Bamber guilty and I know it’s not proven but, maybe there was some truth in the story about the Defence Psychiatrist branding him a Psychopath and this played on him a little, who knows?

What you think is irrelevant as we all know the narrative you are tring to sell the forum

[guest7363]

The only mention of this I can find is below. It would be good if Mike can upload all of Bews testimony

Sorry David something  doesn’t seem right to me.  I’m pleased you put the link up, but it says it was taken from Bews Statement dated 16/8/85, but in Bews statement dated 16/8/85 he never mentions this? He mentions a lot of what the statement is saying, but he never mentions anything about the movement?  The one you’ve put up (not intentionally  by the way) isn’t Bews Statement but from someone who says it’s in Bews statement?  How come we have Bews statement but that paragraph isn’t there about the movement.  If the Court has seen it it should be still in this one? 

[Roch]

Don't forget that under Ainsley, statements were re-written en mass. It could be that two different versions of the same statement are in existence.

[guest7363]

What you think is irrelevant as we all know the narrative you are tring to sell the forum

The difference between you and me, I always put and use the word I think, where as you put useless information and untruthful posts as FACT! all Because you haven’t got a clue what the difference is between the two.

[Bubo bubo]

Don't forget that under Ainsley, statements were re-written en mass. It could be that two different versions of the same statement are in existence.

You mean like David Bird.

[guest7363]

Don't forget that under Ainsley, statements were re-written en mass. It could be that two different versions of the same statement are in existence.

So Bamber ended  up with the one they didn’t use then?

[Jane]

What is crucial to everything being released re Sheila is the way mental health is looked at now and how many suicides happen through mental health

Frankly, I don't believe you give a toss, Jackie. All this supposed compassion for poor Sheila is little more than a ruse to heap blame on her and to get JB out.

[Bubo bubo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16473296

See table at the bottom.  Even the time savings on the previous proposal don't seem that great. 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-how-does-hs2-compare-to-other-bullet-trains

It seems that you need to chastise yourself and maybe report yourself to the moderator for going off topic or is HS2 part of your challenge to supporters.

[guest7363]

Don't forget that under Ainsley, statements were re-written en mass. It could be that two different versions of the same statement are in existence.

The report is by Roland Topping, person unknown 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Roch]

So Bamber ended  up with the one they didn’t use then?

If my suggested explanation is correct (bearing in mind I haven't even read what you and David are referring to, as I haven't got time), then the statement not used may have later come to light.