My Challenge To The Supporters

[Roch]

Thank you Adam. We've just been lectured for weeks that JB never mentioned the alleged sighting... But it was brought up at trial.

Regarding Jeremy not mentioning it himself on the stand - perhaps he wasn't asked about it?

[killingeve]

Can't remember what were the time savings but given the cost, they appeared rather small.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16473296

See table at the bottom.  Even the time savings on the previous proposal don't seem that great. 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-how-does-hs2-compare-to-other-bullet-trains

[killingeve]

Nothing wrong with the Northern " numpties ". We're a friendlier bunch !

But pro capital punishment!

[David1819]

Did you get this out of Wilkes Book David?  It just sounds like an Author describing the first paragraph?

I got if from here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7638.msg366316.html#msg366316

[lookout]

But pro capital punishment!

In view of the very high crime rate, nobody would miss these murderers on the streets. Prison's are full of them ! It's the only deterrent that sounds a sensible option.

[killingeve]

In view of the very high crime rate, nobody would miss these murderers on the streets. Prison's are full of them ! It's the only deterrent that sounds a sensible option.

The statistics don't support the above.  Murder is statistically rare and stranger murder even rarer.  Most murders occur in domestic settings eg the woman who murdered her husband after he complained about the meal she prepared and the very recent case of a former soldier murdering his neighbours over a dispute about parking.  Then there's the case about a little boy called Arthur whose father and step mother appear to have dished out unimaginable cruelty which resulted in his death.   

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020

If you want to develop as a person you need to start challenging your own beliefs!

[lookout]

The statistics don't support the above.  Murder is statistically rare and stranger murder even rarer.  Most murders occur in domestic settings eg the woman who murdered her husband after he complained about the meal she prepared and the very recent case of a former soldier murdering his neighbours over a dispute about parking.  Then there's the case about a little boy called Arthur whose father and step mother appear to have dished out unimaginable cruelty which resulted in his death.   

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020

If you want to develop as a person you need to start challenging your own beliefs!

Murder is by no means rare. We read about it every day, 7 days a week week in week out. I'd willingly put to death those two monsters who murdered that little boy, the worst cruelty/ murder that I've ( tried ) to read about yet.
What use are those two murderers to society ? 
There was the recent murder in Plymouth and even more recent, a 12 year old in Liverpool. What sort of monsters are people bringing into the world, because the first thing you look at are the parent/ s ?

This government and the French government have also been responsible for 27 murders this week which is beyond abominable. Neither should be left in charge of either country.

No----murder is NOT rare !!

[Bill Robertson]

Rivlin would have had extensive meetings with Bamber pre trial.  He might well have said something like 'I want every little detail from the moment you claim you received the phone call'.  So Bamber then recounts the 'trick of the light' and Rivlin uses it at trial to sow seeds in jurors' minds, but it can never be more than a 'trick of the light' at trial because there was nothing to suggest otherwise.

Utter bollex
Rivlin barely took any interest in the case, hardly spoke to JB and had no tactics for a defence. source - JB who was deeply unhappy with Rivlin even before he cocked up repeatedly in court.

[David1819]

Utter bollex
Rivlin barely took any interest in the case, hardly spoke to JB and had no tactics for a defence. source - JB who was deeply unhappy with Rivlin even before he cocked up repeatedly in court.

That's not what JB has written to Mike or said to NGB on the phone.

[killingeve]

Utter bollex
Rivlin barely took any interest in the case, hardly spoke to JB and had no tactics for a defence. source - JB who was deeply unhappy with Rivlin even before he cocked up repeatedly in court.

I'm sure most convicts think their brief was useless when they aren't acquitted and conversely they're brilliant when they're acquitted.  Rivlin managed a 10-2 majority when the odds were heavily stacked against Bamber. 

In any event the fact of the matter remains that the so-called trick of the light is only ever going to be that as far as the judiciary is concerned. 

[killingeve]

Murder is by no means rare. We read about it every day, 7 days a week week in week out. I'd willingly put to death those two monsters who murdered that little boy, the worst cruelty/ murder that I've ( tried ) to read about yet.
What use are those two murderers to society ? 
There was the recent murder in Plymouth and even more recent, a 12 year old in Liverpool. What sort of monsters are people bringing into the world, because the first thing you look at are the parent/ s ?

This government and the French government have also been responsible for 27 murders this week which is beyond abominable. Neither should be left in charge of either country.

No----murder is NOT rare !!

I have provided you with statistics from the ONS showing the rarity of murder.  Do you believe the stats are wrong?

[killingeve]

I got if from here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7638.msg366316.html#msg366316

Thanks David1819.  I can see details about a sender but who's the author of this rambling document? 

[lookout]

I have provided you with statistics from the ONS showing the rarity of murder.  Do you believe the stats are wrong?

CC I don't believe anyone ! I totally ignore stats because they're wrong on every front. There's so much yapping and discussing instead of these people getting off their backsides and seeking the real truth. Actions have always spoken louder than words as even the Queen herself remarked " doing instead of talking about it " is the way ahead.

Take what you read with a pinch of salt. I'd be as crackers as much of the public if I believed what I was told.

[Bill Robertson]

That's not what JB has written to Mike or said to NGB on the phone.

In 2017 I asked Jeremy via a third party about the tactics that Rivlin had prepared for the Trial. The following text is agreed by Jeremy as accurate. Jeremy said that Rivlin did not discuss tactics and said that he doesn't believe that he had any. Jeremy said Rivlin would not challenge the police and when Jeremy told him that he (Rivlin) had to expose the relatives as liars Rivlin told him "I can't do that". When Jeremy expressed to Rivlin that he ought to try to show that Sheila was responsible he said that he wasn't allowed to do that because Sheila wasn't being prosecuted, he was.

Jeremy said that during the trial Rivlin didn't challenge anyone, which is apparent from reading trial testimony. Indeed, Rivlin defended himself when Drake was giving him a mild dressing down by pointing out that he had only accused one witness, Julie Mugford, of lying on oath.

Jeremy said he is convinced that Rivlin had already conceded defeat before the trial commenced and was just going through the motions.

[David1819]

I'm sure most convicts think their brief was useless when they aren't acquitted and conversely they're brilliant when they're acquitted.  Rivlin managed a 10-2 majority when the odds were heavily stacked against Bamber. 

In any event the fact of the matter remains that the so-called trick of the light is only ever going to be that as far as the judiciary is concerned.

I need to be a bit careful what I say about this because I have discussed it with Jeremy Bamber so I know his own views on the matter.  Obviously he was at the trial and I was not so I have to take seriously Jeremy's views on how his case was handled.  I do not want to breach confidences, but I do not think Jeremy would mind me saying that he felt that given the constraints imposed by the non disclosure of evidence his two barristers did a reasonable job.