My Challenge To The Supporters

[Adam]

A variation on Cambridgecutie's scenario could be that Jeremy shot Sheila while she was bound up, then only realised she was still alive after taking her gag off.  The blood on Sheila's mouth would be due to the second shot in the main bedroom. 

I think another thing that is good about Cambridgecutie's scenario is that she has Jeremy take care of Sheila first.  This is the ideal approach if Jeremy is planning things out properly.  I suggested previously that one way he could have done this is by shooting Sheila in bed, then cleaning up in that room later.  This would entail some risk, but it would avoid the need to subdue Sheila.  It could also be that the second shot is in the main bedroom after he realises that the first shot did not kill her.  But I don't believe Jeremy actually went about it this way, if he is the killer.  I doubt his planning would have been that thorough.

Why would Sheila be gagged? She would be shot last.

[Rob_]

A variation on Cambridgecutie's scenario could be that Jeremy shot Sheila while she was bound up, then only realised she was still alive after taking her gag off.  The blood on Sheila's mouth would be due to the second shot in the main bedroom. 

I think another thing that is good about Cambridgecutie's scenario is that she has Jeremy take care of Sheila first.  This is the ideal approach if Jeremy is planning things out properly.  I suggested previously that one way he could have done this is by shooting Sheila in bed, then cleaning up in that room later.  This would entail some risk, but it would avoid the need to subdue Sheila.  It could also be that the second shot is in the main bedroom after he realises that the first shot did not kill her.  But I don't believe Jeremy actually went about it this way, if he is the killer.  I doubt his planning would have been that thorough.

I am not sure QC I think Nevil would be first he is the main risk, if Sheila was shot in her bed surely JB would have laid her between the twins? not in the main bedroom?

To shoot Sheila anywhere other than where she was found would be extremely risky I think?

[Rob_]

Who lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle?

That's your scenario Adam?

[Adam]

A variation on Cambridgecutie's scenario could be that Jeremy shot Sheila while she was bound up, then only realised she was still alive after taking her gag off.  The blood on Sheila's mouth would be due to the second shot in the main bedroom. 

I think another thing that is good about Cambridgecutie's scenario is that she has Jeremy take care of Sheila first.  This is the ideal approach if Jeremy is planning things out properly.  I suggested previously that one way he could have done this is by shooting Sheila in bed, then cleaning up in that room later.  This would entail some risk, but it would avoid the need to subdue Sheila.  It could also be that the second shot is in the main bedroom after he realises that the first shot did not kill her.  But I don't believe Jeremy actually went about it this way, if he is the killer.  I doubt his planning would have been that thorough.

Agree that is an option. However Sheila was shot last as would provide least resistance.

Believe Bamber could easily use force or coerion to move Sheila a few feet. Or was strong enough to lift her.

[Adam]

That's your scenario Adam?

It is crime scene evidence.

Who lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle.

[guest29835]

Why would Sheila be gagged? She would be shot last.

I don't know.  Ask Cambridgecutie.  It's her idea.

[JackieD]

Serious Jane don’t bother with it, this is her contribution to any discussion x

I do contribute but I am not going to spend hours on a trick of light when it’s not going anywhere.
The only fact about this part of the case is Bews is a liar and comes up with different stories.

What everyone should be concentrating on is the silencer/blood evidence and a case of perverting the course of justice.
Same applies to Julie Mugford as the chief prosecution witness her witheld notes and the NOTW deal and again another case of perverting the course of justice

There is enough there for the case to go to appeal plus numerous other pieces of evidence.

Just like I am fed up talking about the phone calls we have no proof either way

The case will definately go to appeal if the CCRC get hold of the information they need

Saying that I have got some news that I will pm the relevant people tonight

[Adam]

Back to the thread title and post #1.

My scenario -

*  Once Bamber enters the farmhouse, via one of the windows he admitted he could gain entry through regardless of whether it was secured or not, he removes the ivory kitchen handset from the cradle thus disabling all other phones within the property. 

*  Grabs the rifle and stuffs his pocket full with ammunition from the cupboard under the stairs.  As a former marksman he knows he could kill each victim with a single gunshot wound to the head but needs it to look amateurish and frenzied.

*  He moves to Sheila's bedroom where he gags, blindfolds, and bounds her wrists and ankles.  Then carries her to his former bedroom and locks the door.

*  He deliberately makes noises until he knows the inevitable will happen ie Mrs Bamber wakes Mr Bamber to investigate.  It is often talked about that Mrs Bamber is a light sleeper, thinks she hears noises downstairs and sends Mr Bamber to investigate.

*  Bamber hides out in the twins room until he hears Mr Bamber making his way downstairs.  He then enters the main bedroom via the box room and open fires on June discharging 6 rounds.  Mr Bamber comes running back up the stairs and he shoots him twice on the stairs immediately preceding the main bedroom.  Mr Bamber turns and Bamber allows him to move to the main staircase where he shoots him again twice. 

*  The pair end up in the kitchen where the violent struggle takes place and the silencer scratches the mantle hence the paint.  Seeing Mr Bamber is no longer a threat he loads 4 further bullets and inflicts the gunshot wounds to the head.

*  He reloads 11 bullets.  Back upstairs.  He hears June moaning and sees her slumped by the door so inflicts 2 further gunshots wounds to the head.  Into the twins room where he discharges the rifle 8 times. 

*  Opens his bedroom door, carries Sheila to the main bedroom and inflicts the not immediately fatal wound.  Realising she is still alive he reloads another bullet and inflicts the fatal wound.  Removes Sheila's gag, blindfold, ankle/wrist ties and makes a pigs ear of staging the scene hence Martyn Ismail's testimony at the 2002 appeal.  Removes the silencer and puts it in a bag at the back of the cupboard where it is later found by Mr Boutflour jnr.

All the above fits with the bloodstains and casings etc.

CC I am disappointed. You said my scenario is fine.

Now you have Bamber tying up & gagging Sheila. For no reason.

[Adam]

Bamber deliberatly makes noises until June & Nevill wake. Very risky. It's a rifle for shooting rabbits.

How was Nevill shot twice in the face upstairs from inches away?

[Adam]

Why gag Sheila if he's going to make noises to get June & Nevill out of bed?

[Adam]

The evidence shows the twins were shot once each first. This negates them both.

June & Nevill were then shot 9 times. Ideally both dying in the bedroom.

Bamber can then move Nevill onto the bedroom floor & take the bedroom phone off the hook.

Sheila can then be killed in the twins room.

[Adam]

The evidence shows the twins were shot once each first. This negates them both.

June & Nevill were then shot 9 times. Ideally both dying in the bedroom.

Bamber can then move Nevill onto the bedroom floor & take the bedroom phone off the hook.

Sheila can then be killed in the twins room.

This is of course on the common sense assumption that Bamber went upstairs with 11 bullets.

[guest29835]

CC I am disappointed. You said my scenario is fine.

Now you have Bamber tying up & gagging Sheila. For no reason.

I think you should challenge Cambridgecutie to a mud-wrestling bout, Adam. NGB1066 will, I am sure, agree to referee. This needs to be settled once and for all!

[lookout]

I am not sure QC I think Nevil would be first he is the main risk, if Sheila was shot in her bed surely JB would have laid her between the twins? not in the main bedroom?

To shoot Sheila anywhere other than where she was found would be extremely risky I think?

I remember wondering why Sheila hadn't been with her children, as sadly, most murder/ suicides are 
Her boys were her life so why wasn't she with them, even if protecting ?

[lookout]

Who lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle?

According to AE's statement she'd been told by an officer that " uncle Nevill was found NEAR the coal scuttle ".