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« Reply #135 on: November 21, 2021, 04:17:PM »
Rob may also find this post interesting.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5566.msg243230/topicseen.html#msg243230
Yes pretty good from Bill, better when it’s documented and evidence with it!  I only read the first line and binned it.

When Police Sergeant Christopher Bews arrived at Pages Lane around 03:48 on 7th August 1985 he already knew that shots had been fired inside White House Farm (WHF).


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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #136 on: November 21, 2021, 04:35:PM »
Rob may also find this post interesting.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5566.msg243230/topicseen.html#msg243230
You appear to regard and believe Bill as the Bible of the Jeremy Bamber innocent brigade, when he’s been caught out and exposed and Questioned so many times, when will you learn Roch and think for yourself, I’m sorry to be so blunt, but that’s the way it appears mate. That isn’t a fall out, but it’s simple every time to dismiss him!

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #137 on: November 21, 2021, 04:37:PM »
Rob may also find this post interesting.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5566.msg243230/topicseen.html#msg243230
My posting with Rob is not to try and convince, I’m not bothered in the slightest, he’s a good poster and doesn’t appear to be a cry baby so it’s a pleasure to debate with him, if I can help him or he me Great.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #138 on: November 21, 2021, 05:15:PM »
Yes pretty good from Bill, better when it’s documented and evidence with it!  I only read the first line and binned it.

When Police Sergeant Christopher Bews arrived at Pages Lane around 03:48 on 7th August 1985 he already knew that shots had been fired inside White House Farm (WHF).

Well it was a long time ago he posted that. He's trying to get you to read between the lines. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater 😏

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« Reply #139 on: November 21, 2021, 05:20:PM »
You appear to regard and believe Bill as the Bible of the Jeremy Bamber innocent brigade, when he’s been caught out and exposed and Questioned so many times, when will you learn Roch and think for yourself, I’m sorry to be so blunt, but that’s the way it appears mate. That isn’t a fall out, but it’s simple every time to dismiss him!

I have never seen Bill caught out.  What I have seen is him either giving his opinion or reporting on what he has been told by somebody in the CT.  And he has put up with insults and slander on this toxic, unpleasant Forum with greater dignity than I could muster.

I hope that is considered a suitable and sufficient rebuttal to your attack on him.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #140 on: November 21, 2021, 05:31:PM »
He was also intensely studying the first hour of the case, from the perspective of a police officer, within EP at the time of the tragedy. So he can smell a rat and I believe his insights count for something.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #141 on: November 21, 2021, 05:39:PM »
I have never seen Bill caught out.  What I have seen is him either giving his opinion or reporting on what he has been told by somebody in the CT.  And he has put up with insults and slander on this toxic, unpleasant Forum with greater dignity than I could muster.

I hope that is considered a suitable and sufficient rebuttal to your attack on him.

In that case everything Bill says must be correct.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #142 on: November 21, 2021, 06:25:PM »
Thanks Rob, if Nevill made the call to Bamber that Sheila’s is going Crazy with a gun, please come over,  under the watchful eye of Sheila, she cuts him off with his phone call, does she then allow him to phone the Police after cutting him off in the first place, thus triggering the second car?


I think you and his supporters have always been under the impression that the tactical fire arms unit was called earlier than when Bews made the request?   If you read Adams report he tells you, at 4.00am he was on operation (plain clothes) in Colchester when he heard radio talk of a possible fire arms incident at Tolleshunt Darcy, so he contacts HQ to tell her that they were a fire arms unit and were available.  He goes on to say after that he didn't hear anything for a while.  So at this point no request had been made for Tactical fire arms team to be deployed.  It was only when Bews made the request a little while later that they was deployed, Adams then had to remind the operator they would have to return back to HQ to draw weapons?


Now if Nevill had made a request for help to the police and Bamber had made a request to the police, both mentioning the use of guns and I dare say Nevill’s call would have been more serious than Bamber’s, Adams would have been notified much earlier, it’s awhile after 4.00 am that he’s told that he’s needed.

I can’t load Adams COLP statement for some reason?

Just a little thought provoking idea from Detail Man.

Given the fact that the telephone set up at WHF was based on a single line with a number of jointly connected hand sets means that if the phone on the master socket is removed the whole system goes down prohibiting any calls in or out until a device is re-inserted in the master socket.

It needs to be considered whether SC removed the handset from the master socket and maybe hid the handset involved. In such a situation NB would need to reconnect either with the original or an alternate.

Such systems allowed others to eavesdrop others calls although it could be noticed if the receiver was returned to the cradle. A click would be heard.

When looking at what happened such a situation may need to be factored in and considered when making up scenarios.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #143 on: November 21, 2021, 06:28:PM »
Well it was a long time ago he posted that. He's trying to get you to read between the lines. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater 😏
Sorry Roch, I wasn’t meaning you as a cry baby mate, you take it really well, I probably shouldn’t have said it like that and your always a pleasure to post with.  I’m not saying Bill’s lying, I’m saying he’s posted a lot of stuff as fact without evidence to back up and you know yourself how many people have questioned what he’s said and I don’t need to go into a list of names either.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #144 on: November 21, 2021, 06:46:PM »
Rob may also find this post interesting.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5566.msg243230/topicseen.html#msg243230

Thanks Roch I am off to work soon so just a quick reply. Yes I believe Bews & Co knew shots had been fired before they arrived, hence parking a distance away and the running back to the car etc.

Myall's note just mentions a domestic? Cc will probably call me a crank oh well.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #145 on: November 21, 2021, 07:21:PM »
Thanks Roch I am off to work soon so just a quick reply. Yes I believe Bews & Co knew shots had been fired before they arrived, hence parking a distance away and the running back to the car etc.

Myall's note just mentions a domestic? Cc will probably call me a crank oh well.
At what point do you think Bews was told shots had been fired, because Nevill never mentioned any shots had been fired to Jeremy?  Did Bamber hear shots fired and was he told at  this stage shots had been fired?

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #146 on: November 22, 2021, 08:24:AM »
You appear to regard and believe Bill as the Bible of the Jeremy Bamber innocent brigade, when he’s been caught out and exposed and Questioned so many times, when will you learn Roch and think for yourself, I’m sorry to be so blunt, but that’s the way it appears mate. That isn’t a fall out, but it’s simple every time to dismiss him!

Roch listens to a guy who claims aliens go around abducting sheep. And reads conspiracy books authored by a guy who claims no Jews were killed in Auschwitz and it was actually some luxury Jewish holiday camp.

So who wont Roch listen to?  :))

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #147 on: November 22, 2021, 08:37:AM »
Roch listens to a guy who claims aliens go around abducting sheep. And reads conspiracy books authored by a guy who claims no Jews were killed in Auschwitz and it was actually some luxury Jewish holiday camp.

So who wont Roch listen to?  :))
FFS. Get me out of here.  I thought I’d heard it all when he said the Hero who tried to save Jo Cox was as about as reliable as Ann Eaton!  Serious, what is the world coming to?

https://news.sky.com/story/ex-miner-bernard-kenny-who-tried-to-stop-jo-cox-murder-dies-aged-79-10989046



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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #148 on: November 22, 2021, 09:07:AM »
At what point do you think Bews was told shots had been fired, because Nevill never mentioned any shots had been fired to Jeremy?  Did Bamber hear shots fired and was he told at  this stage shots had been fired?

Bill's point (from the perspective of an Essex police officer from the era of WHF) was that in order for WHF to be described as a 'shooting incident' there would need to be information that a shooting had actually occurred. He was familiar with how incidents were reported, how they were communicated between police officers, and how they were responded to by police officers.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #149 on: November 22, 2021, 09:08:AM »
FFS. Get me out of here.  I thought I’d heard it all when he said the Hero who tried to save Jo Cox was as about as reliable as Ann Eaton!  Serious, what is the world coming to?

https://news.sky.com/story/ex-miner-bernard-kenny-who-tried-to-stop-jo-cox-murder-dies-aged-79-10989046

But you believe Ann Eaton to be reliable? 😏