My Challenge To The Supporters

[guest7363]

The car that arrived first at WHF was as a result of Nevill's call to EP at 03.26, followed by another car after Jeremy's call at 03.36. That 10 minute window from Jeremy's end was when he tried to ring back his father and found the line was engaged. The solution is simple enough it's the amount of different twists that have been added, courtesy of the media, dramas and those who don't  ( want ) to believe that Jeremy's innocent.

Thats impossible Lookout because Bews was awaiting the arrival of Jeremy Bamber, so if Bews was the first car dispatched he was sent to meet Jeremy from the information he received.

[Adam]

The CT claim is Nevill called Chelmsford Police. The same sixth furthest away police station Bamber called.

Not 999.

[guest7363]

The CT claim is Nevill called Chelmsford Police. The same sixth furthest away police station Bamber called.

Not 999.

Oh right Adam, so that call would take possibly an extra 5 mins to make rather than a 999 call, all the time while Sheila is going crazy with a gun.  With a 999 call they usually dispatch help straight away, with a station call the handler has to take all the details down first (written in this case) and then dispatch.

[Adam]

Oh right Adam, so that call would take possibly an extra 5 mins to make rather than a 999 call, all the time while Sheila is going crazy with a gun.  With a 999 call they usually dispatch help straight away, with a station call the handler has to take all the details down first (written in this case) and then dispatch.

Yes big difference between dialing 999 & Chelmsford Police.

Nevill would have to look up the number for Chelmsford police. Supporters say Nevill would know the number as he was a part time magistrate. Not sure why that would be the case.

[guest7363]

The CT claim is Nevill called Chelmsford Police. The same sixth furthest away police station Bamber called.

Not 999.

With them now saying that Nevill phoned the Police, it goes against what Bamber claimed that his Dad wasn’t the sort to involve the Police, so if Nevill did phone the Police it must have been an extreme Emergeny, yet Bamber says it wasn’t and he spent 10 mins looking up the Chelmsford Police phone number.  He pure and simple didn’t phone 999 because he wasn’t worried about helping his family and we all know the reason why.

[Adam]

With them now saying that Nevill phoned the Police, it goes against what Bamber claimed that his Dad wasn’t the sort to involve the Police, so if Nevill did phone the Police it must have been an extreme Emergeny, yet Bamber says it wasn’t and he spent 10 mins looking up the Chelmsford Police phone number.  He pure and simple didn’t phone 999 because he wasn’t worried about helping his family and we all know the reason why.

Nevill did not say 'please call the police' when he phoned Bamber. He  just said 'please come over'.

This either means Nevill had already called the police. Or that he did not want the police involved.

Bamber did not 'come over' & did not enter WHF for days. However he did ring Chelmsford police.

[Rob_]

Thats impossible Lookout because Bews was awaiting the arrival of Jeremy Bamber, so if Bews was the first car dispatched he was sent to meet Jeremy from the information he received.

I think Lookout is referring to car CA05 which was further away and so arrived after Bews and co.

[killingeve]

Sorry you may have accidentally quoted the wrong post, as I haven't raised those issues specifically on this thread.

An interesting post, though.  It would assist if you could add your specific source for the information from the Home Office.  Can you do that, please?

It was a while ago when I performed those calculations.  Anyway -

26. The Home Office and the Forensic Science Service considers that the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot pound (or about 1.35 joules): below these power levels, weapons are "incapable of penetrating even vulnerable parts of the body, such as the eye".[54] However, more recent analysis by the Forensic Science Agency for Northern Ireland has indicated that a more reasonable assessment of the minimum muzzle energy required to inflict a penetrating wound lies between 2.2 and 3.0 ft/lb (3-4 J).[55] We will deal more fully with this discrepancy at paragraphs 123 to 130 below.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9504.htm

Data re Eley subsonic cartridges -

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

Bullet weight = 38 grains
Muzzle velocity = 1040 ft/s

Shooter calculator -

https://shooterscalculator.com/bullet-kinetic-energy.php

Joules = 124

[guest29835]

It was a while ago when I performed those calculations.  Anyway -

26. The Home Office and the Forensic Science Service considers that the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot pound (or about 1.35 joules): below these power levels, weapons are "incapable of penetrating even vulnerable parts of the body, such as the eye".[54] However, more recent analysis by the Forensic Science Agency for Northern Ireland has indicated that a more reasonable assessment of the minimum muzzle energy required to inflict a penetrating wound lies between 2.2 and 3.0 ft/lb (3-4 J).[55] We will deal more fully with this discrepancy at paragraphs 123 to 130 below.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9504.htm

Data re Eley subsonic cartridges -

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

Bullet weight = 38 grains
Muzzle velocity = 1040 ft/s

Shooter calculator -

https://shooterscalculator.com/bullet-kinetic-energy.php

Joules = 124

Sorry, I'm still not clear on the point you were trying to get across to me.  Why is all this relevant to my post?

[killingeve]

Sorry, I'm still not clear on the point you were trying to get across to me.  Why is all this relevant to my post?

General arguments about Nevill simply disarming Sheila/Bamber by snatching the rifle away. The physics behind the ballistics show the lethality of the situation. 

[lookout]

General arguments about Nevill simply disarming Sheila/Bamber by snatching the rifle away. The physics behind the ballistics show the lethality of the situation.

He probably tried to retrieve the rifle----with one good arm !

[Adam]

General arguments about Nevill simply disarming Sheila/Bamber by snatching the rifle away. The physics behind the ballistics show the lethality of the situation.

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly disarmed Sheila. It was a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

A 'shot 4 times' Nevill would have been in desperate defensive mode against an attacking Bamber.

[Adam]

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly disarmed Sheila. It was a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

A 'shot 4 times' Nevill would have been in desperate defensive mode against an attacking Bamber.

The injury evidence on Nevill, shows he was in 'desperate defensive mode'.

[lookout]

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly disarmed Sheila. It was a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

A 'shot 4 times' Nevill would have been in desperate defensive mode against an attacking Bamber.

He wasn't " fully fit " though, was he after being shot in his arm ?

[lookout]

You'd probably have been on your back !!