Is this an honest forum?

[Enigma]

Curiousessex

Yes that's Simon

With regard to your comment regarding the jury I am thinking of compiling a list of people who think JB is guilty so far we have
10 members of the jury(not having all the information)
We have the relatives who inherited the Bamber fortunes
Julie Mugford who got 25 thousand bonus
Essex police
Maybe at best 20 people on here
Bob woof

That doesn't add up to many

On the other hand people who think JB is innocent

Mike Tesko
Ngb1066
Simon McKay
Eric allison
All the people that have written testemonial
About 30 of us novices on here
At least 1000 of the 1600 twitter users who follow me
Freddie
Landlord chequers
Housekeeper
Accountant

Hopefully we can keep adding to each list and try to get to which side is in the minority

I will always be on the guilty list! You should add the appeal court judges and the review board!
And it isn't really surprising that most of the people on this forum somehow believe Bamber is innocent; the vast majority of people are happy that Bamber is in prison and all his appeals have failed and believe justice has been done. Therefore they are hardly going to be blogging on this site are they?

[grahameb]

Poor Bambi
Still waiting for you  to introduce the evidence that proves JB is guilty?

Do you know what everyday that goes on the support for JB gets stronger, the latest recruit Simon McKay

We are a wash with Barristers and Lawyers offering free help to get an innocent man out of prison

I wonder why these people are offering this help

It's glaringly obvious to me

Jackie

Jeremy was found guilty in a court of law by 12 of his fellow citizens.
By the way who is Simon McKay?

curiousessex  - to be fair it was 10 rather than 12 - the other 2 jurors voted for not guilty.

Hmmm is that true? I thought that the other two members of the jury didn't vote not guilty, they abstained. (I may well be wrong though).

Yes it is true.  They voted not guilty.

The court transcript states that two dissented. That does not mean they voted not guilty.

As I understand it, dissent has a specific meaning in legal terms. It means that, for one reason or another a judge or member of the jury disagrees with the decision of the majority. Dissenting justices will usually write a dissenting opinon to go along with the main court opinion. The dissenting opinion will state reasons why the dissenting justices disagree with the majority decision. Dissent is not equivalent to abstention, which means refraining from reaching a decision.

Good observation Keira. To dissent does not mean to abstain.

[curiousessex]

Curiousessex

Yes that's Simon

With regard to your comment regarding the jury I am thinking of compiling a list of people who think JB is guilty so far we have
10 members of the jury(not having all the information)
We have the relatives who inherited the Bamber fortunes
Julie Mugford who got 25 thousand bonus
Essex police
Maybe at best 20 people on here
Bob woof

That doesn't add up to many

On the other hand people who think JB is innocent

Mike Tesko
Ngb1066
Simon McKay
Eric allison
All the people that have written testemonial
About 30 of us novices on here
At least 1000 of the 1600 twitter users who follow me
Freddie
Landlord chequers
Housekeeper
Accountant

Hopefully we can keep adding to each list and try to get to which side is in the minority

Jackie

I note your lists under each heading are those who 'think' Jeremy to be innocent or guilty. The truth is no one bar Jeremy really knows. It will always remain a possibility that Jeremy is innocent and is in prison or if he is released he may still be guilty. There lies the intrigue.

I note your comment about the jury not having all the information.........well the same applies to all posters on the forum and beyond. It should also be noted a miscarriage of justice does not necessarily mean someone is 100% innocent.

Would Freddie be Sheila's male friend at the time of her death?

Who do you mean by 'Housekeeper' and 'Accountant'?

[grahameb]

And it isn't really surprising that most of the people on this forum somehow believe Bamber is innocent; the vast majority of people are happy that Bamber is in prison and all his appeals have failed and believe justice has been done. Therefore they are hardly going to be blogging on this site are they?

Quite a few have, including you.

[chochokeira]

And it isn't really surprising that most of the people on this forum somehow believe Bamber is innocent; the vast majority of people are happy that Bamber is in prison and all his appeals have failed and believe justice has been done. Therefore they are hardly going to be blogging on this site are they?

Quite a few have, including you.

 Nice one +1

[chochokeira]

Oh so now you're saying that Bamber didn't try and sell explicit photos of Bambi to The Sun?

I don't think it's established that The Sun reporter you mention was shown pictures directly by Jeremy, as distinct from one of his friends. What is your explanation of the fact that DI Jones, who headed the police investigation for about a month, was convinced that JB was not the killer? He must have had good reason.

Good points, reader +1

[chochokeira]

As I understand it, dissent has a specific meaning in legal terms. It means that, for one reason or another a judge or member of the jury disagrees with the decision of the majority. Dissenting justices will usually write a dissenting opinon to go along with the main court opinion. The dissenting opinion will state reasons why the dissenting justices disagree with the majority decision. Dissent is not equivalent to abstention, which means refraining from reaching a decision.

That's not how I understood it, but I confess that I know nothing.

keira is referring to the situation where a panel of judges, sitting for example in the Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court, do not agree either on the appeal itself or upon the reasons for allowing or dismissing.  It such cases dissenting judgements may be given, but the decision of the majority stands.  The position with a jury trial is different - "dissenting" by a juror in a case such as the Bamber case means voting not guilty.

Thank you for correcting me, ngb.

[Enigma]

Curiousessex

Yes that's Simon

With regard to your comment regarding the jury I am thinking of compiling a list of people who think JB is guilty so far we have
10 members of the jury(not having all the information)
We have the relatives who inherited the Bamber fortunes
Julie Mugford who got 25 thousand bonus
Essex police
Maybe at best 20 people on here
Bob woof

That doesn't add up to many

On the other hand people who think JB is innocent

Mike Tesko
Ngb1066
Simon McKay
Eric allison
All the people that have written testemonial
About 30 of us novices on here
At least 1000 of the 1600 twitter users who follow me
Freddie
Landlord chequers
Housekeeper
Accountant

Hopefully we can keep adding to each list and try to get to which side is in the minority

Jackie

I note your lists under each heading are those who 'think' Jeremy to be innocent or guilty. The truth is no one bar Jeremy really knows. It will always remain a possibility that Jeremy is innocent and is in prison or if he is released he may still be guilty. There lies the intrigue.

I note your comment about the jury not having all the information.........well the same applies to all posters on the forum and beyond. It should also be noted a miscarriage of justice does not necessarily mean someone is 100% innocent.

Would Freddie be Sheila's male friend at the time of her death?

Who do you mean by 'Housekeeper' and 'Accountant'?

Actually according to the law there is no intrigue; Bamber has being proven guilty in a court of law and all his appeals have been rejected. Guilty as charged of one of the most callous murders' in history. Bamber is at least as evil as Hindley and I am delighted that he will never see the ight of day.

[Newbury1]

I didn't mention petitions

The people who contact me are a mixture of barristers, lawyers, law students, journos, writers

Jackie, maybe I didn't make it clear. I meant under the banner "innocent" you could add the students.

I didn't say you mentioned petitions. I asked "was there a petition signed"? - do you know if there was and if so how many names did they get? Thanks

Has a "JB is innocent" petition ever been collated and presented by anyone?

[clifford]

Oh yes, we've heard a lot about the "integrity" of newspapers these days haven't we?

So you're saying Bamber didn't try and sell explicit photos of Sheila to The Sun?
(So The Sun lied, Mugford lied, the extended family lied, the police lied, the courts didn't give him a fair trial, the appeal courts were biased! The list grows by the day on this forum!)

Nah, PB the papers never lie do they.
Been reading the papers lately, how many more cops are going to resign.
Are you trying to say the cops are not corrupt. This is the tip of an iceberg.
The cops can't get away with it now, but in 1985 they operated with imputunity.
Are you aware the police altered expert evidence without the knowlege of the said expert.
Stay alert PB I will be posting soon, and after you wipe the egg off your face you can answer.

[nugnug]

as the vast majority have chosen not to take part or comment ether way on what grounds does anybody presume to speak for them.

[Jackiepreece]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

[Newbury1]

I didn't mention petitions

The people who contact me are a mixture of barristers, lawyers, law students, journos, writers

Jackie, maybe I didn't make it clear. I meant under the banner "innocent" you could add the students.

I didn't say you mentioned petitions. I asked "was there a petition signed"? - do you know if there was and if so how many names did they get? Thanks

Has a "JB is innocent" petition ever been collated and presented by anyone?

Hi Jackie, you appear to have posted on this thread without answering my questions above. Could you please answer, thanks 

[Jackiepreece]

Hi Nick
I only got involved in this campaign recently although I have followed the case for a long time and I think there have been petitions in the past but nothing as big as one that might happen right now.

The power of the Internet and twitter has made so many people aware of this case (even bob woof mentioned this in his last interview) and because of this I think something in the way of a petition could be really powerful now.

I think if a proper in depth documentary was shown telling everything about this case I believe JB would have most of the country behind him.  People that have contacted me after the last documentary have been shocked about this case and that doesn't even scratch the surface of everything the public should be aware of

[andrea]

for poor bambi :

can you explain why the blood coming from sheilas neck wounds ( she didnt shoot herself twice in the head as you seemed to think) is still wet ?

why is there no discolouration of her skin, the official version states she had been dead at least 7 hrs, surely there would be some sign of discolouration after 7 hrs ?


the posts i refer to wich you said she shot herslef in the head are POLL do you think bamber is guilty, you posted feb 28th at 10.33 and again you state again she was shot in the head twice at feb28th at 10.47 that was on the common sense argument. just so theres no confusion !!