Is Colin Caffell In Any Way Resposnible For Bamber?

[killingeve]

He should know better and realise what happened (like he once did). But continues to believe Jeremy is guilty to absolve himself from any responsibility.

Like he once did?  You mean before Bamber was convicted in a court of law of killing his twin sons.

I thought you were one of the more reasonable ones here but it seems not.

Why don't you call up Bamber's support group and get them to add it to the submissions.

[Steve_uk]

He should know better and realise what happened (like he once did). But continues to believe Jeremy is guilty to absolve himself from any responsibility.

No because he knows she could never have used that gun, let alone reloaded.

[killingeve]

No because he knows she could never have used that gun, let alone reloaded.

Steve it makes no difference to what Colin thinks or thought.  Bamber was found guilty in a court of law having had a fair trial.  The likes of David overlook Bamber's behaviour at trial when he told the prosecutor it was up to him to establish the case.  Instead they blame a completely innocent man who lost his young sons.  They can't blame Colin for fabricating evidence, dripping period blood/poison in the silencer/police ears, no financial incentives, no immunity against prosection so they sink lower and blame Colin for Sheila's mental state and not supporting Bamber.  Totally warped.

[killingeve]

And David according to others here you once believed Bamber guilty so not sure why you think its ok for you to change your mind but not Colin. 

[Steve_uk]

Steve it makes no difference to what Colin thinks or thought.  Bamber was found guilty in a court of law having had a fair trial.  The likes of David overlook Bamber's behaviour at trial when he told the prosecutor it was up to him to establish the case.  Instead they blame a completely innocent man who lost his young sons.  They can't blame Colin for fabricating evidence, dripping period blood/poison in the silencer/police ears, no financial incentives, no immunity against prosection so they sink lower and blame Colin for Sheila's mental state and not supporting Bamber.  Totally warped.

As if Colin hasn't suffered enough he has to read some of this drivel if he is online and comes across this site. Colin always did seem to me to be a private person, a talented artist who just wanted to lead a quiet life. What he has experienced nobody should have to endure.

[killingeve]

As if Colin hasn't suffered enough he has to read some of this drivel if he is online and comes across this site. Colin always did seem to me to be a private person, a talented artist who just wanted to lead a quiet life. What he has experienced nobody should have to endure.

I am not sure where the law sits on this but do we have to have laws to understand this is in bad taste to say the very least?

I thought the forum was to set up to discuss the case.  Colin is really a peripheral figure. 

I can accept, although not really understand, the relatives and Julie coming under criticism from the supporters but Colin no. 

[killingeve]

And David according to others here you once believed Bamber guilty so not sure why you think its ok for you to change your mind but not Colin.

Do you mean its ok for others to change their minds providing it aligns with your own views at any given time?  I thought you were ok along with Rob, Adam and Steve but you're sounding a bit wanky frankly.

[killingeve]

He should know better and realise what happened (like he once did). But continues to believe Jeremy is guilty to absolve himself from any responsibility.

How is Colin responsbile for the murders?

[JackieD]

As if Colin hasn't suffered enough he has to read some of this drivel if he is online and comes across this site. Colin always did seem to me to be a private person, a talented artist who just wanted to lead a quiet life. What he has experienced nobody should have to endure.

Not an acceptable post.

From the moment Colins twins were born he was responsible for every aspect of there lives (although didn’t he clear off when they were 5 months). As there father he would know every interaction with social services/foster parents. He would have known everything about Sheilas behaviour and treatment in hospital. He would have know about the taxi incident.

He knew Sheila took drugs and he also knew Sheila was suicidal on that last trip to White House Farm. He also knew Sheila had really dark thoughts and feelings about the Farm.  At any time Colin could have said I want the boys to stay with me permanently but he didn’t.
There mother was desperately ill yet Colin carried on a string of affairs when those boys should have been his priority. But to top it off he then lied on National TV News Programme they were on the verge of getting back together to cover up his failings
He let Sheila down and he let those boys down.
No excuses for leaving those children at WHF

Colin knowing Sheila was suicidal what did he think she was going to do with the boys when she killed herself.

[lookout]

Not only did Sheila not want to go to WHF that day, the twins didn't either as one of them was hanging on to Colin not wanting him to leave them there.
For all we know Sheila could have rang him to plead with him to pick them up, we don't know do we ?
Imagine how those children felt at having to be there. Colin knew how Sheila felt about staying there so where were his fatherly duties then ? 

[killingeve]

Not an acceptable post.

From the moment Colins twins were born he was responsible for every aspect of there lives (although didn’t he clear off when they were 5 months). As there father he would know every interaction with social services/foster parents. He would have known everything about Sheilas behaviour and treatment in hospital. He would have know about the taxi incident.

He knew Sheila took drugs and he also knew Sheila was suicidal on that last trip to White House Farm. He also knew Sheila had really dark thoughts and feelings about the Farm.  At any time Colin could have said I want the boys to stay with me permanently but he didn’t.
There mother was desperately ill yet Colin carried on a string of affairs when those boys should have been his priority. But to top it off he then lied on National TV News Programme they were on the verge of getting back together to cover up his failings
He let Sheila down and he let those boys down.
No excuses for leaving those children at WHF

Colin knowing Sheila was suicidal what did he think she was going to do with the boys when she killed herself.

What you're asserting above is contrary to the opinon of Sheila's psychologist. 

[killingeve]

Not only did Sheila not want to go to WHF that day, the twins didn't either as one of them was hanging on to Colin not wanting him to leave them there.
For all we know Sheila could have rang him to plead with him to pick them up, we don't know do we ?
Imagine how those children felt at having to be there. Colin knew how Sheila felt about staying there so where were his fatherly duties then ?

Did anyone say the twins seemed unhappy once there? 

[Steve_uk]

Not an acceptable post.

From the moment Colins twins were born he was responsible for every aspect of there lives (although didn’t he clear off when they were 5 months). As there father he would know every interaction with social services/foster parents. He would have known everything about Sheilas behaviour and treatment in hospital. He would have know about the taxi incident.

He knew Sheila took drugs and he also knew Sheila was suicidal on that last trip to White House Farm. He also knew Sheila had really dark thoughts and feelings about the Farm.  At any time Colin could have said I want the boys to stay with me permanently but he didn’t.
There mother was desperately ill yet Colin carried on a string of affairs when those boys should have been his priority. But to top it off he then lied on National TV News Programme they were on the verge of getting back together to cover up his failings
He let Sheila down and he let those boys down.
No excuses for leaving those children at WHF

Colin knowing Sheila was suicidal what did he think she was going to do with the boys when she killed herself.

I'll let NGB1066 decide what is and what is not an acceptable post. Colin may well have been moving to a situation where he gained full care and control of the twins. He never used the boys as a weapon against his former wife and neither to be fair did Sheila. The adoption conversation round the supper table that final evening was initiated by Jeremy to provoke animosity in the family unit, from which he had for years remained aloof and wished to destroy, ironically at the very moment there was a rapprochement of sorts between mother and daughter.

As I stated previously I doubt any man could have lived with Sheila the way she had acted in the past. But if Colin couldn't tolerate day-to-day existence with her then I'm quite sure no man could.

[lookout]

Did anyone say the twins seemed unhappy once there?

In Colin's book, he doesn't paint a very good picture of the family especially June's behaviour towards the twins, making them say their prayers all the time which they didn't like that prompted Colin to write a letter to hand to Nevill complaining of such.
The said letter was on the forum at one time but I don't know if it's still here.

[JackieD]

I'll let NGB1066 decide what is and what is not an acceptable post. Colin may well have been moving to a situation where he gained full care and control of the twins. He never used the boys as a weapon against his former wife and neither to be fair did Sheila. The adoption conversation round the supper table that final evening was initiated by Jeremy to provoke animosity in the family unit, from which he had for years remained aloof and wished to destroy, ironically at the very moment there was a rapprochement of sorts between mother and daughter.

As I stated previously I doubt any man could have lived with Sheila the way she had acted in the past. But if Colin couldn't tolerate day-to-day existence with her then I'm quite sure no man could.

You weren’t round the table that night so you have absolutely no idea what was said that night. By making statements like that you look stupid.

From the moment those twins were born they were precious and Colin was responsible for every part of there wellbeing.
He knew there mother was suicidal (was having very serious mental health problems) yet he handed his twins over to do god knows what that weekend.

He failed those children and he continues year after year to deflect his failings onto Jeremy