Is Colin Caffell In Any Way Resposnible For Bamber?

[JackieD]

Firstly I don't recall that in his book but I will take your word for it. Both Colin and Sheila had limited knowledge of the day-to-day workings of White House Farm. Jeremy himself was given orders by his father in the morning and told to get on with it.  We know Sheila wasn't close to Jeremy from his statements to police outside the house that Wednesday morning.

Steve you do know Colin was a freeloader. While he was living with Sheila he was an out of work sculpter living in a property paid for by the Bambers. He hated June but was quite happy living rent free in her property

[David1819]

Like he once did?  You mean before Bamber was convicted in a court of law of killing his twin sons.

I thought you were one of the more reasonable ones here but it seems not.

Why don't you call up Bamber's support group and get them to add it to the submissions.

He never questioned what the police told him and suspected Jeremy's relatives were framing him.

So he should know better.

PS: I am far more reasonable than you are. 😏

[guest29835]

As if Colin hasn't suffered enough he has to read some of this drivel if he is online and comes across this site. Colin always did seem to me to be a private person, a talented artist who just wanted to lead a quiet life. What he has experienced nobody should have to endure.

Colin is not a private person.  He put himself in the spotlight with interviews to the media and a published book.

However, on this occasion, you are right in the important aspect of what you say.  Which is to say, I agree with the underlying point that you imply.  You are right to warn the Forum that any comment about Colin should be dignified and expressed with a bit of class.  The poor man lost his sons.  Without naming names, several here fall short.

The converse to that point is that I am not one of those who fall short.  I have always endeavoured to be thoughtful in any comment I make about Colin and I have also repeatedly praised his book.  You have repeatedly attempted to use Colin as a stick to beat me with by suggesting that I blame Colin in some way for what happened.  It is not true.  I do not blame him or cite him as a cause.  I have never advanced such an argument.  It is despicable that you should do this and shows that you yourself fall short of the standard that you (rightly, on this occasion) demand of others.

In my opinion, the Forum Moderator should issue a statement reminding members that Colin Caffell was and is a victim (although Colin does not see himself that way, technically that is what he is in the context of this tragedy).  Notwithstanding this, Colin has voluntarily made himself a public figure and this Forum is for discussion of the case against the background of Jeremy Bamber's pleas of innocence; thus, the Moderator should reassure members that measured and informed criticism of Colin is permitted, but any such remarks should be made with a dignified and mature bearing, and with the reputation of the Forum in mind, given that - whatever else may be said about him - in the strict matter of the shootings, Colin is a blameless victim who lost both his sons.

[killingeve]

Colin is not a private person.  He put himself in the spotlight with interviews to the media and a published book.

However, on this occasion, you are right in the important aspect of what you say.  Which is to say, I agree with the underlying point that you imply.  You are right to warn the Forum that any comment about Colin should be dignified and expressed with a bit of class.  The poor man lost his sons.  Without naming names, several here fall short.

The converse to that point is that I am not one of those who fall short.  I have always endeavoured to be thoughtful in any comment I make about Colin and I have also repeatedly praised his book.  You have repeatedly attempted to use Colin as a stick to beat me with by suggesting that I blame Colin in some way for what happened.  It is not true.  I do not blame him or cite him as a cause.  I have never advanced such an argument.  It is despicable that you should do this and shows that you yourself fall short of the standard that you (rightly, on this occasion) demand of others.

In my opinion, the Forum Moderator should issue a statement reminding members that Colin Caffell was and is a victim (although Colin does not see himself that way, technically that is what he is in the context of this tragedy).  Notwithstanding this, Colin has voluntarily made himself a public figure and this Forum is for discussion of the case against the background of Jeremy Bamber's pleas of innocence; thus, the Moderator should reassure members that measured and informed criticism of Colin is permitted, but any such remarks should be made with a dignified and mature bearing, and with the reputation of the Forum in mind, given that - whatever else may be said about him - in the strict matter of the shootings, Colin is a blameless victim who lost both his sons.

I seem to recall you making a comment about the moderator sucking **** so the above is a bit rich coming from you. 

[JackieD]

The heading of this topic is ridiculous but not surprising given the person who started on it.

Any impartial person who comes on this forum is looking for the truth.
It is MY belief that Colin was quite happy that Jeremy took the blame for the murders because Sheila being responsible  could have looked bad for him.

In his statement he talks about Jeremy being close to his father and he also talks about how proud Jeremy was of his sister.

Although he was not working he lived in the Bambers property rent free yet he talks about June as if he hated her.

June was suffering severe mental health problems herself which clearly impacted on her interaction with people or him

Because of his behaviour with women you can totally understand June not having a good relationship with Colin.

Colin knew Sheila often had suicidal thoughts and Colin was responsible for his children. That is something that Colin has had to live with for over 30 years

If you believe Jeremys conviction is unsafe then Colins interviews are very damaging. He has made numerous statements that are clearly untrue and are especially damaging at this sensitive time when solicitors are trying to get the case referred to the court of appeal

Why does  Colin keep doing these interviews ?

[killingeve]

The heading of this topic is ridiculous but not surprising given the person who started on it.

Any impartial person who comes on this forum is looking for the truth.
It is MY belief that Colin was quite happy that Jeremy took the blame for the murders because Sheila being responsible  could have looked bad for him.

In his statement he talks about Jeremy being close to his father and he also talks about how proud Jeremy was of his sister.

Although he was not working he lived in the Bambers property rent free yet he talks about June as if he hated her.

June was suffering severe mental health problems herself which clearly impacted on her interaction with people or him

Because of his behaviour with women you can totally understand June not having a good relationship with Colin.

Colin knew Sheila often had suicidal thoughts and Colin was responsible for his children. That is something that Colin has had to live with for over 30 years

If you believe Jeremys conviction is unsafe then Colins interviews are very damaging. He has made numerous statements that are clearly untrue and are especially damaging at this sensitive time when solicitors are trying to get the case referred to the court of appeal

Why does  Colin keep doing these interviews ?

Colin made a point of meeting with Sheila's psychiatrist and was told she was not a risk to herself or the children.  If you've got a problem take it up with him. 

Who are your to proselytise about how people live their lives?  Has any woman ever associated with Colin said he was abusive in any way, shape or form?  Did Sheila ever complain about him to anyone?

Bamber's people need to get past the commission before the case gets to the appeal courts.  My guess is that it will fail miserably at the first hurdle.

Colin doesn't "keep doing" interviews.  He was involved with the ITV drama because it connected to his book which he wrote as a form of therapy.  Would you prefer him to keep a dignified silence like Julie (and the queen)?

[killingeve]

He never questioned what the police told him and suspected Jeremy's relatives were framing him.

So he should know better.

PS: I am far more reasonable than you are. 😏

Why would he question what the police told him in 1985? 

Bamber had a highly skilled defence team by way of Kinglsey Napley and QC's Rivlin and Lawson to defend him not his former brother-in-law who was/is an artist. 

Colin did as much as he could to assist Bamber by correcting the statement and making available the letter.

[killingeve]

He never questioned what the police told him and suspected Jeremy's relatives were framing him.

So he should know better.

PS: I am far more reasonable than you are. 😏

And I don't think he ever said he suspected the relatives were framing Bamber.  What he said was he thought the relatives were ganging up on him which is a world away from framing.   

[killingeve]

Colin made a point of meeting with Sheila's psychiatrist and was told she was not a risk to herself or others.  If you've got a problem take it up with him. 

Who are your to proselytise about how people live their lives?  Has any woman ever associated with Colin said he was abusive in any way, shape or form?  Did Sheila ever complain about him to anyone?

Bamber's people need to get past the commission before the case gets to the appeal courts.  My guess is that it will fail miserably at the first hurdle.

Colin doesn't "keep doing" interviews.  He was involved with the ITV drama because it connected to his book which he wrote as a form of therapy.  Would you prefer him to keep a dignified silence like Julie (and the queen)?

Here's the part of Colin's witness statement which he made on 7th August and confirms he spoke with Sheila's psychiatrist who in turn confirmed she was not a risk to herself or the children. 

[killingeve]

The heading of this topic is ridiculous but not surprising given the person who started on it.

Any impartial person who comes on this forum is looking for the truth.
It is MY belief that Colin was quite happy that Jeremy took the blame for the murders because Sheila being responsible  could have looked bad for him.

In his statement he talks about Jeremy being close to his father and he also talks about how proud Jeremy was of his sister.

Although he was not working he lived in the Bambers property rent free yet he talks about June as if he hated her.

June was suffering severe mental health problems herself which clearly impacted on her interaction with people or him

Because of his behaviour with women you can totally understand June not having a good relationship with Colin.

Colin knew Sheila often had suicidal thoughts and Colin was responsible for his children. That is something that Colin has had to live with for over 30 years

If you believe Jeremys conviction is unsafe then Colins interviews are very damaging. He has made numerous statements that are clearly untrue and are especially damaging at this sensitive time when solicitors are trying to get the case referred to the court of appeal

Why does  Colin keep doing these interviews ?

Colin had not lived rent free in a property owned by the Bambers since he split up with Sheila in 1979. 

May I suggest you think through what you're actually arguing before you hit the post button. 

[lookout]

Who was paying the rent ? Colin wasn't working.

[killingeve]

Who was paying the rent ? Colin wasn't working.

Does it matter what the private arrangements were in 1979?  How is it in any way relative to the murders in 1985?

I do not know how the Bamber's funded the purchase of the first property purchased for Sheila (and Colin?).  I understand the second property purchased for Sheila had a mortgage of around 30k secured on it in Mrs Bamber's name.  I don't think Sheila owned the properties she just lived rent free in properties owned by the Bambers.  All totally irrelevant to the murders.

[killingeve]

Who was paying the rent ? Colin wasn't working.

Phone up the support group and ask them to add the above to the submissions. 

Its most certainly the slam dunk/blockbuster piece of evidence Patrick O'Connor referred to in the Sky docu.  I'm sure Priti Patel will authorise Bamber's immediate release.   

[JackieD]

Who was paying the rent ? Colin wasn't working.

Lookout Colin was living rent free when he was was living with Sheila paid for by the Bambers

It’s in his statement as fact

Colins attitude towards June was bad considering she was suffering from severe mental health problems

Colin promoted the doc/drama which was inaccurate and piss poor

He went on the Lorraine programme and told a massive lie that Sheila would have had to be a sharp shooter to have carried out the murders

The shooting happened at very close range

The question is why did Colin tell such a massive lie when solicitors were working on the case and hoping to get the case referred to the court of appeal at the time the doc/drama was going to be aired

It is a fact that Sheila  had discussed suicide with Colin which was clear from Colins reactions when the police told him about the murders

Trying to mislead the public like this is unforgivable

[lookout]

Does it matter what the private arrangements were in 1979?  How is it in any way relative to the murders in 1985?

I do not know how the Bamber's funded the purchase of the first property purchased for Sheila (and Colin?).  I understand the second property purchased for Sheila had a mortgage of around 30k secured on it in Mrs Bamber's name.  I don't think Sheila owned the properties she just lived rent free in properties owned by the Bambers.  All totally irrelevant to the murders.

Yes it does matter considering you said that he hadn't lived rent-free since he split up with Sheila. You hate being cornered don't you ?

It's your irrelevancies that DO happen to be relevant to the murders. !