Julie does not sound to sure?

[lookout]

What workers? WHF was locked from inside.

Aha, so it was , which meant that JB couldn't enter either with " WHF locked from inside ". Your first admission !

[killingeve]

Aha, so it was , which meant that JB couldn't enter either with " WHF locked from inside ". Your first admission !

Seriously you should not be here.  You have spent nearly a decade on the forum 24/7 and made tens of thousands of posts and still you do not understand the most basic aspects of the case.  I am sorry but someone has to tell you.  Give it up and find another more suitable hobby. 

Bamber by his own admission said he was able to enter the farmhouse through unsecured and secured windows. 

Do you actually read and absorb any of the case material? 

[David1819]

Gosh you do talk in riddles, he knew there was a station at Witham so he looked up Witham and dialed the number.

What do you think he done, got a map out and a protractor and found the sixth station away?

Still waiting for you to answer Roch's question why it was an advantage to get a lift? It must have been one huge advantage because his best course of action was simply to dial 999 as far as I can see?

If its any help, it was the police who asked him to go down in the first place.

3:22am Control room

JB: You’ve got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying ‘please come over, your
sister has gone crazy and has the gun’ then the phone went dead. My father sounded
terrified, I don’t think he was kidding.

West: Where does your father live?

JB: White House farm Tolleshunt D'arcy.

West: Does your sister have access to any guns?

JB: Yes my father has a collection of 12 bores and 4.10s and .22 rifles. Look my sister has a
history of mental illness. You’ve got to help me.

West: Hold the line please, I’ll contact our information room and find out where the nearest
unit is.

3:26am Information room

"I received a telephone call on the internal line. The officer at the other end announced
himself as PC 1990 at Chelmsford.

Mr Bamber was worried about a phone call that he had received from his father at
Tolleshunt D'arcy. I cannot remember the direct speech that was used but I was informed
that the telephone call had been received from Mr Bamber and that Mr Bamber's daughter
had gone berserk and had taken one of his guns and that the line had gone dead.

PC 1990 also informed me that Mr BAMBER Junior had stated that there was a collection of
guns at the house. I recorded these as being Shotguns and 410's."

3:30am Witham Police Station

"About 03:30 am I was on duty at Witham Police Station in company Police Sergeant 36
BEWS and Police Constable 1509 MYALL. when I received a message over my personal radio,
from Chelmsford Police Station to the effect that a telephone call had been received from a
Mr Jeremy BAMBER, who had said that he had received a telephone call from his father Mr
Neville BAMBER of "White House Farm" Tolleshunt D'Arcy, saying that his sister was going
berserk and that she had a gun."

3:34am Control room

West: Hello

JB: Christ. You took a long time

West: I have contacted my Information room and Witham Police Station and a car is on its way
to your father's address at Tolleshunt D'Arcy. What's your father’s telephone number?

JB: Maldon 860204

West: How old is your father?

JB: Sixty two

West: Do you know who’s in the house?

JB: My father obviously , my mother and Sheila. Look, when my father rang me he sounded
terrified, I don’t think he's kidding about. I tried ringing him back and I can't get any reply.

West: Will you go to the house and wait for the Police officers and liaise with them there?

JB: Shall I go now?

West: Yes, the car from Witham won't take long. Can I have your telephone number?
JB: Goldhanger 88645

3:39am (or 3:19am)

JB: There’s something wrong at home. I don’t know what to do

Julie: Go to bed. bye honey

JB: I love you lots


3:35 - CA07 leaves Witham
3:41 - Jeremy leaves his house
3:47 - CA07 drives past Jeremy.
3:48 - CA07 arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 48mph
3:49 - Jeremy arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 31mph

[Rob_]

Thanks David I have read this many times, but I must admit for some reason I thought JB had requested  the car to go via his house. That's another one of Adam's highly incriminating pieces of evidence put to bed.

[Roch]

Bamber is being flippant when he refers to the windows. To take what he says at face value is gross stupidity. It implies being able to unlock windows which are on catches from the outside. Experiments would need to be carried out to prove his claim, where it a serious proposition. Obviously, the experiments would fail.

[Steve_uk]

Bamber is being flippant when he refers to the windows. To take what he says at face value is gross stupidity. It implies being able to unlock windows which are on catches from the outside. Experiments would need to be carried out to prove his claim, where it a serious proposition. Obviously, the experiments would fail.

See Paragraph 135. https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/Bamber.PDF

[Steve_uk]

Thanks David I have read this many times, but I must admit for some reason I thought JB had requested  the car to go via his house. That's another one of Adam's highly incriminating pieces of evidence put to bed.

Read Paragraph 134 before you fully make your mind up. https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/Bamber.PDF

[Steve_uk]

If its any help, it was the police who asked him to go down in the first place.

3:22am Control room

JB: You’ve got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying ‘please come over, your
sister has gone crazy and has the gun’ then the phone went dead. My father sounded
terrified, I don’t think he was kidding.

West: Where does your father live?

JB: White House farm Tolleshunt D'arcy.

West: Does your sister have access to any guns?

JB: Yes my father has a collection of 12 bores and 4.10s and .22 rifles. Look my sister has a
history of mental illness. You’ve got to help me.

West: Hold the line please, I’ll contact our information room and find out where the nearest
unit is.

3:26am Information room

"I received a telephone call on the internal line. The officer at the other end announced
himself as PC 1990 at Chelmsford.

Mr Bamber was worried about a phone call that he had received from his father at
Tolleshunt D'arcy. I cannot remember the direct speech that was used but I was informed
that the telephone call had been received from Mr Bamber and that Mr Bamber's daughter
had gone berserk and had taken one of his guns and that the line had gone dead.

PC 1990 also informed me that Mr BAMBER Junior had stated that there was a collection of
guns at the house. I recorded these as being Shotguns and 410's."

3:30am Witham Police Station

"About 03:30 am I was on duty at Witham Police Station in company Police Sergeant 36
BEWS and Police Constable 1509 MYALL. when I received a message over my personal radio,
from Chelmsford Police Station to the effect that a telephone call had been received from a
Mr Jeremy BAMBER, who had said that he had received a telephone call from his father Mr
Neville BAMBER of "White House Farm" Tolleshunt D'Arcy, saying that his sister was going
berserk and that she had a gun."

3:34am Control room

West: Hello

JB: Christ. You took a long time

West: I have contacted my Information room and Witham Police Station and a car is on its way
to your father's address at Tolleshunt D'Arcy. What's your father’s telephone number?

JB: Maldon 860204

West: How old is your father?

JB: Sixty two

West: Do you know who’s in the house?

JB: My father obviously , my mother and Sheila. Look, when my father rang me he sounded
terrified, I don’t think he's kidding about. I tried ringing him back and I can't get any reply.

West: Will you go to the house and wait for the Police officers and liaise with them there?

JB: Shall I go now?

West: Yes, the car from Witham won't take long. Can I have your telephone number?
JB: Goldhanger 88645

3:39am (or 3:19am)

JB: There’s something wrong at home. I don’t know what to do

Julie: Go to bed. bye honey

JB: I love you lots


3:35 - CA07 leaves Witham
3:41 - Jeremy leaves his house
3:47 - CA07 drives past Jeremy.
3:48 - CA07 arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 48mph
3:49 - Jeremy arrives at White House Farm. Average journey speed 31mph

"My father sounded terrified..I don't think he was kidding."

So Nevill is in the habit of "kidding around" at the busiest time of the year for farmers, waking up one of his workers with a practical joke.

"My sister has a history of mental illness.." How long did it take Jeremy to rehearse the way this information was phrased?

[lookout]

Seriously you should not be here.  You have spent nearly a decade on the forum 24/7 and made tens of thousands of posts and still you do not understand the most basic aspects of the case.  I am sorry but someone has to tell you.  Give it up and find another more suitable hobby. 

Bamber by his own admission said he was able to enter the farmhouse through unsecured and secured windows. 

Do you actually read and absorb any of the case material?

Clear off yourself, you're not right.

[Adam]

Thanks David I have read this many times

----------

We all have.

David is similar to Bill.  Rarely posts but tries to be dramatic when he does. Usually by posting in bold & red.

[Rob_]

Thanks David I have read this many times

----------

We all have.

David is similar to Bill.  Rarely posts but tries to be dramatic when he does. Usually by posting in bold & red.

I don't mind being corrected Adam, I am only a rookie on here.

[Rob_]

Read Paragraph 134 before you fully make your mind up. https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/Bamber.PDF

I knew he admitted Steve that he could get in, but thought he said he could not get out and leave the windows fully secure?

I just look at the case as honestly as I can.

[killingeve]

Bamber is being flippant when he refers to the windows. To take what he says at face value is gross stupidity. It implies being able to unlock windows which are on catches from the outside. Experiments would need to be carried out to prove his claim, where it a serious proposition. Obviously, the experiments would fail.

283. In interview the following passage appeared:

"Appellant: There are many ways to get into the house i.e. windows"

Question: "What do you mean, insecure windows?

Appellant: "Insecure windows, secure windows, it makes no difference".

284. On the 12 September, 2 days later he was asked:

"Question: Have you ever got in a window by putting something in between the window frames, like a knife, to move the catch so you could slide the window open?

Answer: "Yes".

Question: Which window?

Answer: Downstairs toilet and lounge window".

From Bamber's interviews and the Court of Appeal doc. 

[Steve_uk]

I knew he admitted Steve that he could get in, but thought he said he could not get out and leave the windows fully secure?

I just look at the case as honestly as I can.

If he can loosen the locking mechanism then surely he can bang a window to?

[Rob_]

If he can loosen the locking mechanism then surely he can bang a window to?

He can open the sash windows from outside but these can't be closed from outside, that's why it's thought he left through the kitchen window which is a different type. But if there is a secondary latch this cannot be closed which is why I would like to see a crime scene photo of this window.