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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2021, 09:31:PM »
But the point I was trying to make Adam is if he was lying about receiving the call from Nevil he would just have dialed 999.

Why?

I just posted a reason he phoned Chelmsford.
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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #151 on: October 31, 2021, 09:32:PM »
But the point I was trying to make Adam is if he was lying about receiving the call from Nevil he would just have dialed 999.
But why the time lag between Nevill's purported telephone call and Jeremy's call to emergency services? And why telephone Julie at all in the middle of the night?

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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #152 on: October 31, 2021, 09:34:PM »
No because it showed an insouciance as to their fate, the purported call from his father not necessitating immediate action, firstly because they were all dead anyway and secondly because no such call was made.

If you are arguing the case for a situation where he is trying to pretend his dad phoned him in desperation - why would he then transact such a plan by not taking it seriously enough to warrant a 999 call?  Sorry Steve but in brushing aside anomalies, guilters try and have it all ways.

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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #153 on: October 31, 2021, 09:39:PM »
If you are arguing the case for a situation where he is trying to pretend his dad phoned him in desperation - why would he then transact such a plan by not taking it seriously enough to warrant a 999 call?  Sorry Steve but in brushing aside anomalies, guilters try and have it all ways.

An innocent person would just dial 999.

Who has ever looked for the number of the sixth furthest away police station. In any situation?
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« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2021, 09:41:PM »
Police cars leaving from Chelmsford gave him the best chance of being picked up. Which has lots of advantages.

It also gives him extra minutes to compose/motivate himself.
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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #155 on: October 31, 2021, 09:42:PM »
An innocent person would just dial 999.

Who has ever looked for the number of the sixth furthest away police station. In any situation?

What advantage does he personally gain by faffing with the rigmarole of contacting a local station?

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« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2021, 09:43:PM »
Police cars leaving from Chelmsford gave him the best chance of being picked up. Which has lots of advantages.

It also gives him extra minutes to compose/motivate himself.

He didn't get picked up. How could he know they would suggest him being picked up?
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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #157 on: October 31, 2021, 09:44:PM »
If you are arguing the case for a situation where he is trying to pretend his dad phoned him in desperation - why would he then transact such a plan by not taking it seriously enough to warrant a 999 call?  Sorry Steve but in brushing aside anomalies, guilters try and have it all ways.
He may have thought the 999 call would be recorded and he wished to leave as few traces as possible. The guilters believe there was no call from Nevill, but the pretence that their was gave him the pretext to involve police and effectively make them his alibi.

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« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2021, 09:47:PM »
He didn't get picked up. How could he know they would suggest him bring picked up?

He requested to be picked up. But they told him to meet him there.

The vehicles eventually dispatched from Witham went near his cottage. They overtook his car.
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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #159 on: October 31, 2021, 09:48:PM »
Why?

I just posted a reason he phoned Chelmsford.

If he committed the crime and was lying about his fathers call why arouse suspicion on himself?

I can see no reason not to dial 999?

If is is innocent and got flustered and not sure what to do I can understand why he rang Witham.

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« Reply #160 on: October 31, 2021, 09:49:PM »
He requested to be picked up. But they told him to meet him there.

The vehicles eventually dispatched from Witham went near his cottage. They overtook his car.

He could have requested to be picked up on a 999 call also.

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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #161 on: October 31, 2021, 09:50:PM »
If he committed the crime and was lying about his fathers call why arouse suspicion on himself?

I can see no reason not to dial 999?

If is is innocent and got flustered and not sure what to do I can understand why he rang Witham.

I'll wager this was the true event.

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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #162 on: October 31, 2021, 09:52:PM »
If he committed the crime and was lying about his fathers call why arouse suspicion on himself?

I can see no reason not to dial 999?

If is is innocent and got flustered and not sure what to do I can understand why he rang Witham.


I can see no reason not to dial 999?

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Agree with that. If innocent.

Doubt that Bamber thought phoning Chelmsford would arouse suspision. He believed it was an 'open & shut' case.
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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #163 on: October 31, 2021, 09:58:PM »
He could have requested to be picked up on a 999 call also.

Less chance of vehicles being despatched from Chelmsford.

Bamber would believe the further out, the more chance a vehicle will make a detour & pick him up.

As it happened phoning Chelmsford resulted in cars from Witham being despatched.
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Re: Julie does not sound to sure?
« Reply #164 on: October 31, 2021, 09:59:PM »

I can see no reason not to dial 999?

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Agree with that. If innocent.

Doubt that Bamber thought phoning Chelmsford would arouse suspision. He believed it was an 'open & shut' case.

You seem to forget he is trying not to get caught, if guilty he would definitely have dialled 999 why not?

How can he assume it was a open and shut case, lots of things could have given him away, even walking / cycling with no lights he might still have been seen.