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What Yvonne reads out is taken from documents. Why would she lie ?

But the documents originate from people she condems or has placed in 'liars lobby'.

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Julie says it was Jeremy who broached the subject of fostering to needle his sister. Nevill and June would never have countenanced the idea due to the stigma, and in any case it was Colin who had de facto care and control, which he wasn't about to relinquish.

The Sky prog featured the farm secretary saying Mr and Mrs Bamber were going to try and adopt the boys.  Bamber said his parents were private people who never discussed anything personal outside the immediate family and gave an example of how as a boy he was reprimanded for doing so?

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No way was June ever a suitable candidate to have adopted children in the first place. Her mental state before adopting was rather fragile after she'd had a spell in hospital herself and had been treated by using ECT.
The above treatment was given, IMO because she'd suffered depression since learning that she could no longer produce the family that she'd wanted. Sadly the depression returned after the adoption of Sheila and she had to be admitted once again for another session of ECT. Who looked after baby Sheila at the time is not known.
In Colin's book he wrote about Sheila's recollections as a child, told to him by Sheila herself, where at one time she'd been left in the garden, presumably in her pram, to cry for hours. Sheila had realised there'd been " something different " about her mother when attending primary school, looking at other children's mothers in jeans and casual clothes whereas June was in tweeds and brogues.

I've never read that either June or Sheila had a mother/ daughter relationship, nor Sheila's interest in her mother's cooking/ baking, unlike Jeremy who'd loved baking/ cake-making with his mother, and also the shared interests with Nevill too.

Many knew of the strained relationship that Sheila had with June, including Dr. Ferguson who wouldn't have shown too much surprise had he learned that Sheila had killed her mother.
Because of Sheila's miserable start to life and once she'd been told about her adoption she set about tracking down her birth mother, who she eventually found and as Colin had stated Sheila had been the happiest she'd ever been while sharing time with her birth mother and to Sheila there was no comparison between June and her real mother.

How sad that this meeting came too late to save Sheila. 

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No way was June ever a suitable candidate to have adopted children in the first place. Her mental state before adopting was rather fragile after she'd had a spell in hospital herself and had been treated by using ECT.
The above treatment was given, IMO because she'd suffered depression since learning that she could no longer produce the family that she'd wanted. Sadly the depression returned after the adoption of Sheila and she had to be admitted once again for another session of ECT. Who looked after baby Sheila at the time is not known.
In Colin's book he wrote about Sheila's recollections as a child, told to him by Sheila herself, where at one time she'd been left in the garden, presumably in her pram, to cry for hours. Sheila had realised there'd been " something different " about her mother when attending primary school, looking at other children's mothers in jeans and casual clothes whereas June was in tweeds and brogues.

I've never read that either June or Sheila had a mother/ daughter relationship, nor Sheila's interest in her mother's cooking/ baking, unlike Jeremy who'd loved baking/ cake-making with his mother, and also the shared interests with Nevill too.

Many knew of the strained relationship that Sheila had with June, including Dr. Ferguson who wouldn't have shown too much surprise had he learned that Sheila had killed her mother.
Because of Sheila's miserable start to life and once she'd been told about her adoption she set about tracking down her birth mother, who she eventually found and as Colin had stated Sheila had been the happiest she'd ever been while sharing time with her birth mother and to Sheila there was no comparison between June and her real mother.

How sad that this meeting came too late to save Sheila.

I thought Carol Ann Lee and Colin Caffell (recording from post trial) made good points when they referred to Sheila suffering mental illness and Bamber murdering his family and whether it was anything to do with their upbringing. 

The family psychiatrist was heard via a recording (for Lee's book I think) saying Mrs Bamber's diagnosis of psychosis in the 80's was all bound up with her religiosity (or words to this effect) and yet according to Yvonne in the podcast Mrs Bamber used religion in a benign way to understand philosophical issues of life and guide her accordingly. 
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Of the two siblings it was Sheila who'd had the worst start in life as she'd been shunted to different carers/ friends of June etc. when June was unwell. The adult outcome from a beginning such as this is never good.
After Jeremy's adoption, au-pairs here hired to help out with the two children.
Both were sent to boarding school but only Jeremy lasted the course, with Sheila opting out of her own accord, then being expelled from a school that she'd joined until she settled down to complete her education.

As a young girl today I think a diagnosis of Autism would have been on the cards as she flitted from job to job and hadn't appeared to have settled in any way with her challenging behaviour as she got older.
Autism in girls has more of a subtlety about it than that of boys and can usually be picked up from an early age.

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Of the two siblings it was Sheila who'd had the worst start in life as she'd been shunted to different carers/ friends of June etc. when June was unwell. The adult outcome from a beginning such as this is never good.
After Jeremy's adoption, au-pairs here hired to help out with the two children.
Both were sent to boarding school but only Jeremy lasted the course, with Sheila opting out of her own accord, then being expelled from a school that she'd joined until she settled down to complete her education.

As a young girl today I think a diagnosis of Autism would have been on the cards as she flitted from job to job and hadn't appeared to have settled in any way with her challenging behaviour as she got older.
Autism in girls has more of a subtlety about it than that of boys and can usually be picked up from an early age.

The description of Sheila by her friends (you know people who actually knew her) hardly sounded like someone on the autisitc spectrum. 

If anyone sounds autistic its Bamber and Yvonne with their obsession with case documents and seizing on anomalies that only hold signficance in their minds.  Most people can accept and deal with nuance but not Bamber and Yvonne. 

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The description of Sheila by her friends (you know people who actually knew her) hardly sounded like someone on the autisitc spectrum. 

If anyone sounds autistic its Bamber and Yvonne with their obsession with case documents and seizing on anomalies that only hold signficance in their minds.  Most people can accept and deal with nuance but not Bamber and Yvonne.





Jeremy was far from autistic. He was confident, a good mixer and always got on with things that had to be done on the farm----consistent. Whereas those who are autistic are usually shy, their interests jump from one thing to another ( not consistent ), easily frustrated and prone to meltdowns because they don't know any other way of explaining how they're feeling.
Generally disruptive both at home and at school ( as Sheila was ) Not good mixers because besides themselves not knowing what's wrong, neither does anyone else so friendships are thin on the ground.

After only a short time married, Colin didn't understand her either and least of all neither did her parents.
Jeremy, by all accounts was easy going.   

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Jeremy was far from autistic. He was confident, a good mixer and always got on with things that had to be done on the farm----consistent. Whereas those who are autistic are usually shy, their interests jump from one thing to another ( not consistent ), easily frustrated and prone to meltdowns because they don't know any other way of explaining how they're feeling.
Generally disruptive both at home and at school ( as Sheila was ) Not good mixers because besides themselves not knowing what's wrong, neither does anyone else so friendships are thin on the ground.

After only a short time married, Colin didn't understand her either and least of all neither did her parents.
Jeremy, by all accounts was easy going.

Is there any evidence that either Bamber or Sheila has been disgnosed as autistic?  Yes or No?
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Is there any evidence that either Bamber or Sheila has been disgnosed as autistic?  Yes or No?





I didn't say that I had evidence ! What's wrong with you ?

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I would personally have diagnosed Sheila with it but not Jeremy  ::)

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I didn't say that I had evidence ! What's wrong with you ?

What's wrong with me?  Nothing as far as I know but I am sure you will find something to pin on me as you have Sheila with your claims she was autisitc. 

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I would personally have diagnosed Sheila with it but not Jeremy  ::)

What makes you think you are qualified to diagnose anyone with anything? 


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What makes you think you are qualified to diagnose anyone with anything?





Something to do with being a mother, grandmother and great-grandmother-----plus having been a nurse in my working years.

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Something to do with being a mother, grandmother and great-grandmother-----plus having been a nurse in my working years.

Many people are mothers, grandmothers and great-grandmothers but they do not attempt to label others with conditions such as autism. 

Do you nursing qualifications make you an expert in such matters as autism to the extent you would meet the citeria of expert as laid out by the CPS?


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Many people are mothers, grandmothers and great-grandmothers but they do not attempt to label others with conditions such as autism. 

Do you nursing qualifications make you an expert in such matters as autism to the extent you would meet the citeria of expert as laid out by the CPS?





I probably have more sense than the CPS ! And yes, I'd have made a good " Vera ", my style of sleuthing