Podcast by Bamber's support group containing information about 03/21 submission

[Bubo bubo]

Can you explain why the state would want to conspire against a farm hand?  Do you include all the defence lawyers in this?

Try reading my posts.

[Roch]

Can you explain why the state would want to conspire against a farm hand?  Do you include all the defence lawyers in this?

The state, if it so chooses, can conspire against anybody it wants. The state conspired to prevent Jeremy Corbyn from progressing any further than a temporary leader of the opposition.

It's silly to suggest that every single person involved in a particular case is a conspirator. This has already been explained to you - but you choose to deliberately ignore it. You're not fooling anyone.

If I go to work and my boss says, send this feedback form out to these certain customers - but don't send the same feedback form out to this other list of customers; and provides no more info than that - does that make me a fully fledged, fully knowledgeable co-conspirator regarding rigging my company's customer feedback? Or have I simply just followed instructions?

[JackieD]

The whole conspiracy theory falls apart with the call to Jeremy. Jeremy rang the police which was normal practice.  Ringing the local police would also have been normal behaviour trying to keep Sheilas behaviour confidential

It is obvious police did all they could to get Jeremy convicted (noble cause corruption)

POLICE OFFICERS
The most prevalent type of corruption is the so- called 'noble-cause' corruption. Noble-cause corruption is where an officer will simply lie, exaggerate or invent evidence in order to convict a suspect he 'knows' is 'well at it' - of course there is nothing at all 'noble' about that sort of conduct.


With the pushing from the relatives and Mugford, Jeremy was easy pickings

The whole thing is unbelievable

[killingeve]

You would do well to read more of what supporters have written. You are a lazy poster who mostly spouts the Crown case. I have said it before but to really understand the fine detail of this case you need to absorb  what others say. You are only testing the patience of posters with your lack of case knowledge which stands out like a sore thumb. If you spent more time reading than spouting you might come to understand the case a little bit better.

And you would do well to re-read my posts and you will find, contrary to your assertion that I'm a lazy poster with a lack of case knowledge, that unlike others here today I have provided evidence to support my posts namely Bamber's hands and June's black eye.  Evidence from a pathologist and the 2002 appeal hearing.

As William Clegg QC said in a recent video he starts by looking at what the prosecution (Crown) are arguing and that's what I am doing!

[Steve_uk]

The state, if it so chooses, can conspire against anybody it wants. The state conspired to prevent Jeremy Corbyn from progressing any further than a temporary leader of the opposition.

It's silly to suggest that every single person involved in a particular case is a conspirator. This has already been explained to you - but you choose to deliberately ignore it. You're not fooling anyone.

If I go to work and my boss says, send this feedback form out to these certain customers - but don't send the same feedback form out to this other list of customers; and provides no more info than that - does that make me a fully fledged, fully knowledgeable co-conspirator regarding rigging my company's customer feedback? Or have I simply just followed instructions?

Roch I don't think that is true. Students became motivated to vote Labour at the 2017 General Election when it was rumoured he would abolish tuition fees, and no doubt this fed up the chain to many parents, who realized they may well have otherwise ended up subsidizing their offspring. In reality it was the closest General Election between the two main parties since February 1974.

[killingeve]

Try reading my posts.

My mind isn't closed to the fact a handful of people may have conspired against Bamber but what I am not prepared to accept is that this extends to pathologists, review commissioners, appeal court judges etc.  Some might be wrong but that doesn't make them conspirators it just makes them incompetent. 

[Steve_uk]

My mind isn't closed to the fact a handful of people may have conspired against Bamber but what I am not prepared to accept is that this extends to pathologists, review commissioners, appeal court judges etc.  Some might be wrong but that doesn't make them conspirators it just makes them incompetent.

It's so often cock-up rather than conspiracy.

[Bubo bubo]

It's so often cock-up rather than conspiracy.

At last something I agree with. It started as a cock-up and ended in a conspiracy because they tried to cover up the accidental shooting of June. Jeremy was an easy target for the blame because the only support that was available to him was the family and they had plenty of reasons to turn their backs on him for their own gain.

[lookout]

At last something I agree with. It started as a cock-up and ended in a conspiracy because they tried to cover up the accidental shooting of June. Jeremy was an easy target for the blame because the only support that was available to him was the family and they had plenty of reasons to turn their backs on him for their own gain.

Agreed, Bubo.

[Bubo bubo]

And you would do well to re-read my posts and you will find, contrary to your assertion that I'm a lazy poster with a lack of case knowledge, that unlike others here today I have provided evidence to support my posts namely Bamber's hands and June's black eye.  Evidence from a pathologist and the 2002 appeal hearing.

As William Clegg QC said in a recent video he starts by looking at what the prosecution (Crown) are arguing and that's what I am doing!

I understand your posts but if there was a cover-up you would expect the documentation to reflect the Crown case. The problem is once the case was examined in great detail issues emerged that suggest that the whole truth was not the truth. If you read my posts on Peter Vanezis you will see that the  establishment had to close ranks because what the EP had done was totally outrageous.

That is why they held back evidence and did not give full disclosure. It is why PII was invoked over many documents including the raid teams statements.

It was not in the Public interest that what EP had done was in the public domain.

[Roch]

I understand your posts but if there was a cover-up you would expect the documentation to reflect the Crown case. The problem is once the case was examined in great detail issues emerged that suggest that the whole truth was not the truth. If you read my posts on Peter Vanezis you will see that the  establishment had to close ranks because what the EP had done was totally outrageous.

That is why they held back evidence and did not give full disclosure. It is why PII was invoked over many documents including the raid teams statements.

It was not in the Public interest that what EP had done was in the public domain.

Is there a diagram to prove the trajectory regarding the black eye claim?

[Steve_uk]

At last something I agree with. It started as a cock-up and ended in a conspiracy because they tried to cover up the accidental shooting of June. Jeremy was an easy target for the blame because the only support that was available to him was the family and they had plenty of reasons to turn their backs on him for their own gain.

I'm glad we finally agree on something, but do tell me who accidentally shot June.

[Bubo bubo]

I'm glad we finally agree on something, but do tell me who accidentally shot June.

Read my post 'Could this have happened'. Answer a member of the TFG.

[Steve_uk]

Read my post 'Could this have happened'. Answer a member of the TFG.

I don't know what you mean. Do you mean a thread entitled "Could this have happened?". Where am I supposed to be looking?

[Bubo bubo]

I don't know what you mean. Do you mean a thread entitled "Could this have happened?". Where am I supposed to be looking?

I am surprised that a long standing member cannot find another members posts. Click on search for members. Enter Bubo bubo. A more discerning access can be obtained using the search function. Enter the thread title and use Bubo bubo in the 'by poster' field. Happy hunting.