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Offline Steve_uk

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Well what evidence convinces you JB is guilty? I have looked hard and am struggling, there is serious doubt at everything I look at?

Bullet points will do, lets see what you can come up with you seem very sure the conviction is safe.
He was given away by Juliet at six weeks old. He never truly bonded with his adoptive parents and was again sent away at eight years old. Possibly looking for affection and companionship amongst the pupils of the landed gentry of East Anglia he let slip that his birth parents weren't married when he was born and came to be labelled "The Bastard." He felt intimidated and apprehensive throughout his schooldays, gaining a modicum of acclaim through his shooting prowess.

He left Gresham's with few academic qualifications and enrolled at Chelmsford College, where the less stuffy atmosphere was more to his liking. Yet he still achieved very little, opting to travel to Australia and New Zealand in July 1980 instead of settling down to working life at White House Farm.

Upon returning to England in 1981 he got a job at Little Chef off the A12, enabling him to circumvent his parents' supervision yet again. Around this time he began a relationship with Suzette Ford, whom he met at the Frog and Beans in Colchester, the centre of his social life. She was separated from her husband and already had three children.  Jeremy wished to marry her, but upon discovering the relationship June banished him from the Farm and disinheritance was discussed.  Suzette suffered a miscarriage, which may have left an ineradicable imprint on Jeremy's mind. Yet again another chance to avoid this diabolical tragedy was lost, when Suzette returned to her husband.

With Jeremy's resentment of his parents' influence growing he demanded and received a loan of several thousand pounds from Nevill for a second trip to the Antipodes, arriving in New Zealand on 2nd August 1982. This is when his plan to become a scuba diving instructor came to nothing when he failed a medical, possibly as a result of June dropping him on the head when he was a baby. He struck up a relationship with Brett Collins, who fancied himself as an expert in antiques. One has to wonder whether the murder plans were incipient at this stage, Jeremy filing Brett's name in his head as someone who could be useful to him in the future.

With his mother's breakdown occurring the same year and Sheila's the year after Jeremy seemed to grow in confidence, especially as Nevill seemed downcast due to his wife and daughter's illnesses. He began to take an interest in the farm, probably connected with the conditions of his father's will, which he had secretly perused after purloining the safe key. Two statements may explain his mindset at this juncture: when asked by Julie why he didn't just clear out he replied: "because I've got too much to lose.". When farm secretary Barbara Wilson was asked about Jeremy's new-found enthusiasm for farming she remarked that Jeremy rarely did anything without an ulterior motive.

We know that Jeremy considered several methods of killing: the prescription tablets of Julie's, the burning of the Farm he speculated to Malcolm Waters at Christmas 1984, and of course his sounding out Julie, probably the first intelligent woman in his life who took the trouble to listen to him.

The final straw might have been Sheila's second illness in March 1985 and the drain on the Bamber finances from a source who was always unlikely to earn her own income. The effusive way his parents treated the twins, in contrast to the unexpressive way he had been reared, and the fear that they too would be sent away to public school for ten years at the Bambers' expense may well have been a factor. His quizzing of Colin as to the dates they were to stay at the Farm is another giveaway.

All had to be under the one roof for his plan to work, and all had to die.
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Umm ok well if you think that is strong enough for someone to spend maybe 60 years in jail who am I to argue.

Not really what I think that counts.  Appeal court and review submission seem happy enough with it.  Bamber, his supporters and lawyers to date have been unsuccessful.  At least the door is always open and Bamber has access to keep appealing if he find fresh evidence.

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You have not studied the case have you, please read Saxby's statement who stayed with the car when Bews, Myall and JB went to the farmhouse.

As you said Rob Saxby remained in the car so how would he know what was going on?

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He was given away by Juliet at six weeks old. He never truly bonded with his adoptive parents and was again sent away at eight years old. Possibly looking for affection and companionship amongst the pupils of  landed gentry of East Anglia he let slip that his birth parents weren't married when he was born and became to be labelled "The Bastard." He felt intimidated and apprehensive throughout his schooldays, gaining a modicum of acclaim through his shooting prowess.

He left Gresham's with few academic qualifications and enrolled at Chelmsford College, where the less stuffy atmosphere was more to his liking. Yet he still achieved very little, opting to travel to Australia and New Zealand in July 1980 instead of settling down to working life at White House Farm.

Upon returning to England in 1981 he got a job at Little Chef off the A12, enabling him to circumvent his parents' supervision yet again. Around this time he began a relationship with Suzette Ford, whom he met at the Frog and Beans in Colchester, the centre of his social life. She was separated from her husband and already had three children.  Jeremy wished to marry her, but upon discovering the relationship June banished him from the Farm and disinheritance was discussed.  Suzette suffered a miscarriage, which may have left an ineradicable imprint on Jeremy's mind. Yet again another chance to avoid this diabolical tragedy was lost, when Suzette returned to her husband.

With Jeremy's resentment of his parents' influence growing he demanded and received a loan of several thousand pounds from Nevill for a second trip to the Antipodes, arriving in New Zealand on 2nd August 1982. This is when his plan to become a scuba diving instructor came to nothing when he failed a medical, possibly as a result of June dropping him on the head when he was a baby. He struck up a relationship with Brett Collins, who fancied himself as an expert in antiques. One has to wonder whether the murder plans were incipient at this stage, Jeremy filing Brett's name in his head as someone who could be useful to him in the future.

With his mother's breakdown occurring the same year and Sheila's the year after Jeremy seemed to grow in confidence, especially as Nevill seemed downcast due to his wife and daughter's illnesses. He began to take an interest in the farm, probably connected with the conditions of his father's will, which he had secretly perused after purloining the safe key. Two statements may explain his mindset at this juncture: when asked by Julie why he didn't just clear out he replied: "because I've got too much to lose.". When farm secretary Barbara Wilson was asked about Jeremy's new-found enthusiasm for farming she remarked that Jeremy rarely did anything without an ulterior motive.

We know that Jeremy considered several methods of killing: the prescription tablets of Julie's, the burning of the Farm he speculated to Malcolm Waters at Christmas 1984, and of course his sounding out Julie, probably the first intelligent woman in his life who took the trouble to listen to him.

The final straw might have been Sheila's second illness in March 1985 and the drain on the Bamber finances from a source who was always unlikely to earn her own income. The effusive way his parents treated the twins, in contrast to the unexpressive way he had been reared, and the fear that they too would be sent away to public school for ten years at the Bambers' expense may well have been a factor. His quizzing of Colin as to the dates they were to stay at the Farm is another giveaway.

All had to be under the one roof for his plan to work, and all had to die.

What absolute bollocks. You know the truth. Your mate the bunny boiler set him up because she was dumped and the relatives set him up because they were broke.
I can’t wait for Mugford to get her punishment
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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As you said Rob Saxby remained in the car so how would he know what was going on?

Saxby says in his statement:

"About five minutes latter all three came running back from the direction of the farmhouse and Pc Bews contacted Information room and requested armed assistance and gave a situation report"

Where is the situation report I would like to see it?
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What absolute bollocks. You know the truth. Your mate the bunny boiler set him up because she was dumped and the relatives set him up because they were broke.
I can’t wait for Mugford to get her punishment
I know a large part of the truth, yes. I am not conceited or dull-witted like Yvonne Fletcher to claim I know everything.

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All had to be under the one roof for his plan to work, and all had to die.

Thanks for your comprehensive reply Steve I have edited out most of it to save space.

Was it an act of blind rage or blind greed? I think it was a moment of blind rage but as you said in a previous post I will keep reading!

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I know a large part of the truth, yes. I am not conceited or dull-witted like Yvonne Fletcher to claim I know everything.

Yvonne Fletcher was the police officer killed during the Libyan embassy siege. Yvonne Hartley was a voiceover artist on The Flumps. She is also the main face of the CT these days.

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I know a large part of the truth, yes. I am not conceited or dull-witted like Yvonne Fletcher to claim I know everything.





Your memory's going already  ;D

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Thanks for your comprehensive reply Steve I have edited out most of it to save space.

Was it an act of blind rage or blind greed? I think it was a moment of blind rage but as you said in a previous post I will keep reading!
He didn't care as to the fate of any of the five individuals. Julie controversially tried to reason with him as to the sparing of the twins' lives. This part of her statement is difficult to swallow, though also gives it an air of legitimacy as a whole. He rationalized that he would be doing Colin a favour as the latter had full-time responsibility for their care by this stage and was unable to get regular work.

I don't know fully how the mind of a mass murderer works and I don't particularly want to know.

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Saxby says in his statement:

"About five minutes latter all three came running back from the direction of the farmhouse and Pc Bews contacted Information room and requested armed assistance and gave a situation report"

Where is the situation report I would like to see it?

But how does any of this lend to the idea Bamber might be a miscarriage of justice let alone factually innocent? 

To my mind it was obvious there was a problem: Bamber's claim of a phone call sowing the seed Sheila had gone mad with  a gun, then mentioining mental illness, firearms, ammunition; dogs barking; some lights on and as PS Bewes said "No sign of life". 

The offices took the most appropriate action which was calling for back up because it was obvious something was amiss. 

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Your memory's going already  ;D
Not really, though Bobby Charlton doesn't play football like he used to, does he?

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Yvonne Fletcher was the police officer killed during the Libyan embassy siege. Yvonne Hartley was a voiceover artist on The Flumps. She is also the main face of the CT these days.
Yes sorry it was a slip (not a Freudian slip I hope).

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Not really, though Bobby Charlton doesn't play football like he used to, does he?





I hope not.

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But how does any of this lend to the idea Bamber might be a miscarriage of justice let alone factually innocent? 

To my mind it was obvious there was a problem: Bamber's claim of a phone call sowing the seed Sheila had gone mad with  a gun, then mentioining mental illness, firearms, ammunition; dogs barking; some lights on and as PS Bewes said "No sign of life". 

The offices took the most appropriate action which was calling for back up because it was obvious something was amiss.


Why does Bews lie about this incident, he claims that he called for armed backup before returning to the car. In three interviews I have seen it was first Myall, then JB then in the last interview it was himself who saw the reflection / movement.

Why no mention in Bews and Myall statements? it was the moment armed police were called so an important moment that night, were the statements latter re-written?

Look also at the times they left Witham in the statements???

Factually innocent or factually guilty? I don't know but if I find police officers lying he is innocent.