Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.

[Zoso]

Almost but it has some big flaws. The Aga burns, placing SC on a toilet mat, no blood around June's head, no blood drag stains on the pillow, a door closed that should be open, blood stains on the bed on the wrong side, no depressions in the electric blanket that June is said to have walked across and why is it there anyway it was summer and the bed already has a lot of cover. Will that do for starters

Why would there be 'drag stains?
Why are the blood stains on the 'wrong side'?
Which door is closed that should be open?
Who said June walked across an electric blanket and why would there be depressions?

[Adam]

Why would there be 'drag stains?
Why are the blood stains on the 'wrong side'?
Which door is closed that should be open?
Who said June walked across an electric blanket and why would there be depressions?

He said that is just for starters.

I'm sure there is another door which was open which should have been closed.

In BuboBubo's world anyway.

[Bubo bubo]

Why would there be 'drag stains?
Why are the blood stains on the 'wrong side'?
Which door is closed that should be open?
Who said June walked across an electric blanket and why would there be depressions?

I believe that the answers to your questions can be found in these posts

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11884.msg545427.html#msg545427

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11579.msg533791.html#msg533791

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11618.msg535456.html#msg535456

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10697.msg493861.html#msg493861

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg546126.html#msg546126

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4096;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492353.html#msg492353

[Roch]

In BuboBubo's world anyway.

I wish I had a brain like Bubo. He is very analytical.  We don't see this kind of analysis from your side. We used to, with the likes of Hartley, Scipio and Curious Essex, among others.

[Adam]

I believe that the answers to your questions can be found in these posts

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11884.msg545427.html#msg545427

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11579.msg533791.html#msg533791

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11618.msg535456.html#msg535456

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10697.msg493861.html#msg493861

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg546126.html#msg546126

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4096;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492353.html#msg492353

Can you answer Zoso's questions.

A couple of sentances for each point is enough.

You know no one is going to read through 7 threads with your multiple long posts within them.

[Roch]

Can you answer Zoso's questions.

A couple of sentances for each point is enough.

You know no one is going to read through 7 threads with your multiple long posts within them.

Why are you so bothered? It's not like you are actually interested in genuine answers?  If I am wrong, please correct me.

[Zoso]

I wish I had a brain like Bubo. He is very analytical.  We don't see this kind of analysis from your side. We used to, with the likes of Hartley, Scipio and Curious Essex, among others.

You do, you just don't agree with it and claim it to be following the EP narrative.

[Roch]

You do, you just don't agree with it and claim it to be following the EP narrative.

There's only you Jane and Adam posting. Jane seems to be almost totally uninterested in learning anything new about the case. Adam seems to be here solely for this own amusement. You've only just started posting in more detail, ironically since Adam took more of a back seat.

[Adam]

Why are you so bothered? It's not like you are actually interested in genuine answers?  If I am wrong, please correct me.

Of course I am interested.

Just want BuboBubo to give  straight answers.

He says the staging is wrong as a door is shut rather than open etc.

Just say what door and why. Putting up 7 thread links is no good.

[Zoso]

I believe that the answers to your questions can be found in these posts

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11884.msg545427.html#msg545427

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11579.msg533791.html#msg533791

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11618.msg535456.html#msg535456

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10697.msg493861.html#msg493861

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg546126.html#msg546126

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4096;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492353.html#msg492353

No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

[Adam]

No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

Posters can put up links to old threads. However this should be supported by writing and answering a question.

Shoddy.

[Bubo bubo]

No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

Most of Junes wounds were to her right side most of the staining is also on the right as it is viewed. So she had to be on the bed face down or lying on her right side.

[Bubo bubo]

No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

My view it is more likely than not but there are not any.

[Zoso]

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Why do YOU THINK the stains are on the wrong side of the bed?

The stain on the bible is on the wrong side to have come from the large blood stain on the floor which is where the appeal court thought it came from and I can tell you why. I'd be grateful if you could furnish me with your rational for your claim. Also, you ignored everything else? I thought you wanted proper debate?

[Bubo bubo]

No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

This one.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=39404;image

It is clear you have not used the information presented