Did June make it to the phone

[David1819]

Bubo is saying the police shot June once. Which would still mean June was dead when the police entered WHF.  From the other 6 shots.

Can't see both June & Sheila still being alive when the police arrived at WHF. Sheila then letting June call for an ambulance before shooting her 6 times & then shooting herself twice.

Then who is supposed to fire the other six shots?

[Adam]

Then who is supposed to fire the other six shots?

Sheila. But only after the police had arrived and June had called for an ambulance.

[guest29835]

Sheila. But only after the police had arrived and June had called for an ambulance.

Adam is bravely edging towards a total public stance change.

Appreciate it's a tough one for Adam because he has been a dogmatic guilter all these years and people will wonder why he is changing his mind for a second time, but we're almost there and once Adam acknowledges the truth, others may change stance.

[David1819]

Adam is bravely edging towards a total public stance change.

Appreciate it's a tough one for Adam because he has been a dogmatic guilter all these years and people will wonder why he is changing his mind for a second time, but we're almost there and once Adam acknowledges the truth, others may change stance.

Adam is the only guilter left on here.

[Bubo bubo]

Then who is supposed to fire the other six shots?

For goodness sake do not keep misrepresenting what I have posted. I have given reasons why June could still have been alive. Once again it is clear that you are selectively reporting and once again it is clear that you have not read all of what I have said. If you keep on doing this I will treat you like Adam and refuse to enter into any dialogue with you as well. Do not dismiss my arguments in such a crude fashion. Just because you do not wish to accept my analysis does not mean it is unworthy of consideration and I leave it to others to make up their own minds as to the validity of my thinking.

Try answering this for starters. How did June walk around the bed without stepping on the electric blanket? There is no depression in the fabric. Did she jump it?

You are at risk of becoming an object of ridicule because of your lack of dissemination of the detail I have provided, answering in your tit for tat style.

[Bubo bubo]

The forensic evidence is rather conclusive on this issue.

Bubo's scenario requires to June to be alive while the police were outside for hours and June never tries to escape or call out for help. Then the police elaborately restage the scene after accidently shooting her seven times. Its not even worth debating IMO.

I expect you to analyse what I have said and to respond with a detailed refutation of my points. I know this requires you to use more than a couple of off the cuff flippant remarks but give it a try. It requires more than a couple of sentences.

[David1819]

I expect you to analyse what I have said and to respond with a detailed refutation of my points.

I already have refuted your posts. A "detailed refutation" is not necessary, because the evidence speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore the evidence and indulge in looney scenarios, don't expect me to even bother replying.

[Bubo bubo]

I already have refuted your posts. A "detailed refutation" is not necessary, because the evidence speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore the evidence and indulge in looney scenarios, don't expect me to even bother replying.

Ok I guess I will have to put you on the naughty step with Adam. You have not answered a simple straight forward question This piece of evidence does not speak for its self as far as I am concerned and you cannot explain how it does. There are no indentations which would and should be present.

[Bubo bubo]

I already have refuted your posts. A "detailed refutation" is not necessary, because the evidence speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore the evidence and indulge in looney scenarios, don't expect me to even bother replying.

Your response also implies I am suffering from a mental problem. This will be reported. You cannot say you have not been warned.

[David1819]

See the log below. Ambulances requested at 6:25 from CA07

[Bubo bubo]

See the log below. Ambulances requested at 6:25 from CA07

Thanks David well done that answers an important question. Perhaps you could now address the question I asked about the electric blanket. This does not remove the possibility that they had spoken to June.

[guest29835]

Adam is the only guilter left on here.

It's one of them for Adam.  He has to play it 'political' while using the PM system to offer moral support to silent guilters and encourage them to change stance.  Adam is one of the unsung heroes of Jeremy's campaign for freedom.

[Bubo bubo]

I note that one was required for immediate and one for standby. This suggests that they knew persons were  possibly alive and in need of treatment, otherwise both would be required to standby prior to police entry to the premises. So it is possible that June or Sheila did use the phone. I hope you would agree it would be unlikely that Nevill or the twins used the phone. If it was Sheila, given her wounds found on entry, it is unlikely she would need immediate treatment. This suggests it was other persons who were in need of treatment. I suggest it was June. If Sheila announced her intention to commit suicide it would have triggered and earlier entry to the premises.

[Adam]

See the log below. Ambulances requested at 6:25 from CA07

Not surprised an ambulance was called. Jeremy had volunteered a lot of information to the police.

Sheila was a 'nutter', 'do lally', 'looney', 'psychotic depressive' & 'should be locked' up. She knew how to use all the rifles at WHF & a loaded one had been left out by Jeremy after he went to shoot rabbits. Nevill had rang him but the phone went dead after 11 words.

Jeremy had even drawn diagrams of where Sheila might be hiding with the rifle inside WHF. Ready to open fire on the raud team.

[Bubo bubo]

Could this unidentified blood in the kitchen belong to June?