Podcasts and media about Julie Mugford

[guest7363]

Do you mean this office Rob?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4099

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4548

I don’t know if you’ve seen the plans of the house Rob, but here they are.


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37250


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37259

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37701

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37702


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

[Rob_]

I don’t know if you’ve seen the plans of the house Rob, but here they are.


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37250


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37259

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37701

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37702


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

Thanks for posting those images is this the downstairs office? I believe it's the upstairs office I was hoping to find images of. There was a working phone that a police officer use to call out on rather that use the phone in the kitchen? though there is doubt over which phone was used.

But its the phone that was hidden under magazines I am interested in, I thought it was at the time when the crime was committed in one of the offices?

[Adam]

COA:

There were normally four telephones at White House Farm (although there was only one telephone line).

A cream old-fashioned finger-dial telephone kept in the main bedroom (the bedroom telephone), a blue digital telephone in the first floor office (the office telephone), a cream cordless telephone kept in the kitchen but used around and outside the house (the cordless telephone) and a fawn digital telephone also kept in the kitchen (the kitchen telephone).

The only telephone with a memory recall feature was the cordless telephone but this had been faulty and was collected for repair on the morning of 5 August 1985.

The telephone that had been found with the receiver off its cradle in the kitchen was in fact the bedroom telephone, which had been moved downstairs.

The kitchen telephone had been hidden amongst a pile of magazines in the kitchen.

The office telephone was in its normal place

[Adam]

The kitchen phone under a pile of magazines was in working order.

Bamber took the cream phone off the hook to support his claim  Nevill was found in the kitchen.

Julie was aware of the cordless phone with a last number dialled facility. She said Bamber had planned to use it to back up his claim that Nevill had called him.

He may not have been aware the cordless phone had been taken away the day before. If he was aware he decided to go ahead anyway due to his short massacre timescale available.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1105.msg34232.html#msg34232

Douglas Pike said he met every family member when he collected the portable phone. Except Jeremy.

Pike confirms the cordless phone has a last number dialled facility.

He also says the phone has a maximum range of 150 yards! If Bamber was not aware of that, it is lucky he didn't have the chance to use it as part of his frame!

[Rob_]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1105.msg34232.html#msg34232

Douglas Pike said he met every family member when he collected the portable phone. Except Jeremy.

Pike confirms the cordless phone has a last number dialled facility.

He also says the phone has a maximum range of 150 yards! If Bamber was not aware of that, it is lucky he didn't have the chance to use it as part of his frame!

Thanks for that Adam but I am hoping you can give me photographs of the offices, should be a minimum of four pointing inwards from the four corners of the room. Surely these can't be withheld??

[Adam]

Thanks for that Adam but I am hoping you can give me photographs of the offices, should be a minimum of four pointing inwards from the four corners of the room. Surely these can't be withheld??

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

Might be something here. Otherwise feel free to search in other places.

[Rob_]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

Might be something here. Otherwise feel free to search in other places.

Thanks but I have looked through those, perhaps I missed them? I can understand certain sensitive photos being withheld but not rooms with no bodies in!

Its fortunate that the negatives are in strips and numbered so if any go walkies we will know.

[ngb1066]

Thanks but I have looked through those, perhaps I missed them? I can understand certain sensitive photos being withheld but not rooms with no bodies in!

Its fortunate that the negatives are in strips and numbered so if any go walkies we will know.

Some negatives have gone walkies.

[David1819]

Some negatives have gone walkies.

Who do you suspect is behind this? and what did the CCRC say?

[Rob_]

Some negatives have gone walkies.

Well sorry but in my opinion if basic evidence like this has gone missing the Crown's case collapses.

[gringo]

Well sorry but in my opinion if basic evidence like this has gone missing the Crown's case collapses.

   There is a thread that covers a lot of this here;
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9559.0.html

    The video that Roch posted in post 1 of the thread will be of interest to you and gives many more details.

[Rob_]

   There is a thread that covers a lot of this here;
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9559.0.html

    The video that Roch posted in post 1 of the thread will be of interest to you and gives many more details.

Thanks I just watched the video, shocking really, it makes me sad this can happen in our country.

[gringo]

Thanks I just watched the video, shocking really, it makes me sad this can happen in our country.

   The ever reducing amount of negatives and Essex Police "curation" of those negatives is shocking. The following gem from the CCRC cannot be left unremarked.

     "As stated above, on the occasions when the negative strips have been cut short the subject matter  (with the exception of the gun cupboard) is not of significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction"

     The exact protocols used by the CCRC to discern that photographs they hadn't seen from negatives that no longer existed were of no evidential value is something we can only guess at. Even worse though is the admission shoved into brackets as if it doesn't matter.
     The tacit admission that the negative strips of the gun cupboard were not only cut short but were of "significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction".
      So the CCRC are aware that strips have been cut some time between 2001 and 2012. They apply some mysterious test which shows that the missing negatives are not important, except for the ones that are, but dismiss the ones that are, even though they  themselves concede that these missing negatives are of evidential value. No further reasoning is offered.
     
      I am sure that it is all a huge coincidence that the negative strips containing pictures of the gun cupboard have been cut short. I imagine EP and those relatives involved in the "finding of the silencer" must be disappointed that the pictures showing the gun cupboard were cut short. They would be able to prove once and for all that the silencer had been there all along and that it wasn't a fabrication by dishonest and greedy relatives with the connivance of dishonest officers. If only...

      The gun cupboard and its contents are clearly of the utmost importance in this case given the dubious and much disputed chain of custody of the contents of said cupboard. That the CCRC  dismiss the fact of the missing negatives without explanation, despite recognising the "significance to the safety of the conviction", does nothing to inspire confidence in either their integrity or competence.

[ngb1066]

Who do you suspect is behind this? and what did the CCRC say?

Essex Police carried out the removal of negatives.  The CCRC have said nothing about it save to accept implicitly the explanation offered by Essex Police, which was totally unconvincing.