Podcasts and media about Julie Mugford

[JackieD]

   The ever reducing amount of negatives and Essex Police "curation" of those negatives is shocking. The following gem from the CCRC cannot be left unremarked.

     "As stated above, on the occasions when the negative strips have been cut short the subject matter  (with the exception of the gun cupboard) is not of significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction"

     The exact protocols used by the CCRC to discern that photographs they hadn't seen from negatives that no longer existed were of no evidential value is something we can only guess at. Even worse though is the admission shoved into brackets as if it doesn't matter.
     The tacit admission that the negative strips of the gun cupboard were not only cut short but were of "significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction".
      So the CCRC are aware that strips have been cut some time between 2001 and 2012. They apply some mysterious test which shows that the missing negatives are not important, except for the ones that are, but dismiss the ones that are, even though they  themselves concede that these missing negatives are of evidential value. No further reasoning is offered.
     
      I am sure that it is all a huge coincidence that the negative strips containing pictures of the gun cupboard have been cut short. I imagine EP and those relatives involved in the "finding of the silencer" must be disappointed that the pictures showing the gun cupboard were cut short. They would be able to prove once and for all that the silencer had been there all along and that it wasn't a fabrication by dishonest and greedy relatives with the connivance of dishonest officers. If only...

      The gun cupboard and its contents are clearly of the utmost importance in this case given the dubious and much disputed chain of custody of the contents of said cupboard. That the CCRC  dismiss the fact of the missing negatives without explanation, despite recognising the "significance to the safety of the conviction", does nothing to inspire confidence in either their integrity or competence.

No comment Real Justice

[Rob_]

   The ever reducing amount of negatives and Essex Police "curation" of those negatives is shocking. The following gem from the CCRC cannot be left unremarked.

     "As stated above, on the occasions when the negative strips have been cut short the subject matter  (with the exception of the gun cupboard) is not of significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction"

     The exact protocols used by the CCRC to discern that photographs they hadn't seen from negatives that no longer existed were of no evidential value is something we can only guess at. Even worse though is the admission shoved into brackets as if it doesn't matter.
     The tacit admission that the negative strips of the gun cupboard were not only cut short but were of "significance to the issues which may affect the safety of the conviction".
      So the CCRC are aware that strips have been cut some time between 2001 and 2012. They apply some mysterious test which shows that the missing negatives are not important, except for the ones that are, but dismiss the ones that are, even though they  themselves concede that these missing negatives are of evidential value. No further reasoning is offered.
     
      I am sure that it is all a huge coincidence that the negative strips containing pictures of the gun cupboard have been cut short. I imagine EP and those relatives involved in the "finding of the silencer" must be disappointed that the pictures showing the gun cupboard were cut short. They would be able to prove once and for all that the silencer had been there all along and that it wasn't a fabrication by dishonest and greedy relatives with the connivance of dishonest officers. If only...

      The gun cupboard and its contents are clearly of the utmost importance in this case given the dubious and much disputed chain of custody of the contents of said cupboard. That the CCRC  dismiss the fact of the missing negatives without explanation, despite recognising the "significance to the safety of the conviction", does nothing to inspire confidence in either their integrity or competence.

Thanks Gringo,

Well I am not sure what to say, if the negatives have been tampered with then nothing else can be trusted either.

SC's feet were spotless the jury were told, what a joke no wonder the photo's were withheld.

We will soon see how much integrity the CCRC have, to me the Crown's case is over.

[guest7363]

Thanks Gringo,

Well I am not sure what to say, if the negatives have been tampered with then nothing else can be trusted either.

SC's feet were spotless the jury were told, what a joke no wonder the photo's were withheld.

We will soon see how much integrity the CCRC have, to me the Crown's case is over.

The Crown’s case will stand I’m pretty certain of that Rob, don’t get your hopes up.  Some photos were put into PII or could have been because they consisted of the children, or they could  have showed parts too explicit from the mortuary photos?  Police would be very careful about the photos landing in the wrong hands and being published?  Just my opinion, NGB has already told us it was the Crowns privilege to use PII back then, probably common practice.  I think the problem arises from the fact it was a murder suicide by Sheila investigation at first which then turned into a Jeremy Bamber murder investigation?

[gringo]

Some photos were put into PII or could have been because they consisted of the children, or they could  have showed parts too explicit from the mortuary photos?  Police would be very careful about the photos landing in the wrong hands and being published?  Just my opinion, NGB has already told us it was the Crowns privilege to use PII back then, probably common practice.

    This is an entirely different issue RJ. The negatives that Essex Police removed from strips prior to inspections, three times between 2001 and 2012, are nothing to do with the PII issue. Neither Essex Police nor the CCRC have suggested that this is the reason for the removed negatives. 

[Rob_]

The Crown’s case will stand I’m pretty certain of that Rob, don’t get your hopes up.  Some photos were put into PII or could have been because they consisted of the children, or they could  have showed parts too explicit from the mortuary photos?  Police would be very careful about the photos landing in the wrong hands and being published?  Just my opinion, NGB has already told us it was the Crowns privilege to use PII back then, probably common practice.  I think the problem arises from the fact it was a murder suicide by Sheila investigation at first which then turned into a Jeremy Bamber murder investigation?

No not getting my hopes up, I was referring more to images being cut from the rolls and probably being destroyed because they help the defence, rather than images of a sensitive nature being withheld. Sorry if I am being very cynical now!

If images have been cut from the rolls there is no excuse for this, if the police have tampered with the negatives, what else have they fiddled with? A image that happens to show a certain phone that the jury was told was hidden, or a picture of the inside of the gun cabinet could be dynamite to the defence.

There seems to be proof of clear tampers and lying by the police, I just don't understand how the Crown's case can stand?

[Adam]

Supporters & Bamber have been claiming stuff is being withheld for years. While simultaneously saying new evidence is going to free him. There is no proof of either.

But no harm in doing both. As all the released evidence shows he is guilty. It will also keep current supporters & may entice new ones.

[JackieD]

The Crown’s case will stand I’m pretty certain of that Rob, don’t get your hopes up.  Some photos were put into PII or could have been because they consisted of the children, or they could  have showed parts too explicit from the mortuary photos?  Police would be very careful about the photos landing in the wrong hands and being published?  Just my opinion, NGB has already told us it was the Crowns privilege to use PII back then, probably common practice.  I think the problem arises from the fact it was a murder suicide by Sheila investigation at first which then turned into a Jeremy Bamber murder investigation?

Ridiculous post trying to cover your mates backs

The word COULD stands out from you

Your opinions are totally biased as usual

There is not a single excuse for non disclosure unless it’s to keep an innocent man in prison

You fail to give a single valid reason for evidence from Julie Mugford being witheld

[guest7363]

Some photos were put into PII or could have been because they consisted of the children, or they could  have showed parts too explicit from the mortuary photos?  Police would be very careful about the photos landing in the wrong hands and being published?  Just my opinion, NGB has already told us it was the Crowns privilege to use PII back then, probably common practice.

    This is an entirely different issue RJ. The negatives that Essex Police removed from strips prior to inspections, three times between 2001 and 2012, are nothing to do with the PII issue. Neither Essex Police nor the CCRC have suggested that this is the reason for the removed negatives.

I know it’s entirely different to what your suggesting Gringo, I’m merely pointing out to Rob what could go or be in PII that forms part of the so called withheld evidence,  including photographic image is one of them.  I’m under no illusions that there was and still is corrupt police officers, this will never change.  If any negatives was or have been removed like you say, they certainly wouldn’t be in PII, they’re gone end of, so asking for them or requesting them is surely futile, unless of course you know different and have seen the so called removed negatives and they still have them in their possession then I would say yes, release them to his defence I can’t be any clearer on that.

[Rob_]

Supporters & Bamber have been claiming stuff is being withheld for years. While simultaneously saying new evidence is going to free him. There is no proof of either.

But no harm in doing both. As all the released evidence shows he is guilty. It will also keep current supporters & may entice new ones.

We live in a fair country Adam, your position seems to be we think he did it but we can't prove it so it's ok to frame him?

[guest7363]

No not getting my hopes up, I was referring more to images being cut from the rolls and probably being destroyed because they help the defence, rather than images of a sensitive nature being withheld. Sorry if I am being very cynical now!

If images have been cut from the rolls there is no excuse for this, if the police have tampered with the negatives, what else have they fiddled with? A image that happens to show a certain phone that the jury was told was hidden, or a picture of the inside of the gun cabinet could be dynamite to the defence.

There seems to be proof of clear tampers and lying by the police, I just don't understand how the Crown's case can stand?

Well, Mike has proof that Bamber confessed to killing four members of his family but not killing Sheila, there was a taped confession.  Bamber and Mike says the police shot Sheila twice by accident and put the blame of Sheila’s death onto Bamber, what more proof do you need Rob? 

[guest7363]

We live in a fair country Adam, your position seems to be we think he did it but we can't prove it so it's ok to frame him?

No one is framing him, he’s already confessed on tape to killing, or don’t you believe Mike because you haven’t seen the tape yet?  Have you seen the negatives that have been removed?

[guest7363]

Ridiculous post trying to cover your mates backs

The word COULD stands out from you

Your opinions are totally biased as usual

There is not a single excuse for non disclosure unless it’s to keep an innocent man in prison

You fail to give a single valid reason for evidence from Julie Mugford being witheld

Written without jealousy and not like yours.  You come across as being jealous of anyone who was closer to Bamber than yourself, you attacked AA, you attack Daisy, you Attack Anne, you attack the CT, you constant attack JM, mostly all females, all because you were dumped by Bamber and they are or have been closer than you. 

Anyway, I’ve got a life and I can’t be sitting at a computer daydreaming about Bamber all day like you and planning his next welcome home party.  Good luck with the planning 👍

[Adam]

We live in a fair country Adam, your position seems to be we think he did it but we can't prove it so it's ok to frame him?

Do you believe there was an Industrial frame. Involving hundreds of people?

[JackieD]

Written without jealousy and not like yours.  You come across as being jealous of anyone who was closer to Bamber than yourself, you attacked AA, you attack Daisy, you Attack Anne, you attack the CT, you constant attack JM, mostly all females, all because you were dumped by Bamber and they are or have been closer than you. 

Anyway, I’ve got a life and I can’t be sitting at a computer daydreaming about Bamber all day like you and planning his next welcome home party.  Good luck with the planning 👍

Of course Real Justice the truth hurts doesn’t it.

It’s in black and white the relatives lied
The relatives tampered with vital evidence and you can’t handle the truth that vital evidence like negatives have been removed and special branch destroyed vital evidence.

Here you go running away when the questions get to difficult to answer

Bring on more and more documentaries as the truth will be revealed

The question remains what will happen to anyone that lied to have an innocent man convicted.

I will continue to call out liars like AA and Mugford, the campaign team  and people that hide behind user names

[Rob_]

Do you believe there was an Industrial frame. Involving hundreds of people?

Industrial frame hundreds of people? it only needs maybe one or two dodgy officers?

Where is this confession of JB killing four people, then I don't need to worry about this possible MOJ anymore? Why is this forum still going?