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« Reply #465 on: October 05, 2021, 08:25:AM »
The point I was getting at was whether it was during the summing up. If Rivlin was not privy to any information regarding the windows; and that lack of information was down to some form of non-disclosure, then by default Rivlin was hampered from pursuing the windows issue at trial to that issue's fullest extent. Such arguments would have occurred prior to the summing up.

So for example, Miller told Robert Boutflour that sophisticated equipment had not detected any tampering with the windows. Whether or not that was true or bullshit on the part of Miller, Rivlin would have been able to put Miller on the spot by asking for further clarification of what he meant regarding this remark. Miller then either has to refute the remark or admit to bullshitting Robert Boutflour, which in itself calls in to question Miller's honesty per se.  All of this (and any other windows evidence that has come to light) would have played out before the summing up, as you so succinctly put it, while the kitchen sink was being thrown.

May I suggest you read the window section within the 2001 appeal hearing and form your own opinion (Ground 3, 261 -288).  All I am saying, whether the surrounding facts are correct or not, is that the jury was told by the judge ..."how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case". 

The fact his campaign group have included the windows in the submission shows they are utterly clueless.  Firstly, the judge gave a clear direction to the jury.  Secondly, the judge's summing up was the subject of the first appeal.  Thirdly, the lawyers had a go at the windows for the 2001 appeal and the appeal court judges simply batted it away based on the judge's direction.  Time to move on folks the windows are going nowhere.  Supporters can rant and rave over what they consider to be the unfairness of it all (and verbally abuse me on the basis that I've even mentioned it) but I am afraid this is the system and process. 

The criteria for a successful appeal is NEW evidence or argument not known about at trial ie something that had the jury heard about may have brought about a different verdict.  Whatever is presented about the windows will not meet the criteria as the judge gave a clear direction as above.   

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« Reply #466 on: October 05, 2021, 08:39:AM »
What absolutely insulting and slanderous nonsense; at least 3 of the people assisting the campaign are former police detectives. There is far more experienced expertise in place working on the appeal process than your limited knowledge of the case suggests.

At the end of the recent podcast Bamber's supporters refer the audience to a website run on his behalf.  If you want insulting and slanderous nonsense this seems to me to be the go-to place.  It features a section titled 'Liars Lobby' which includes police officers amongst many others.  Quite ironic given your statement above!   

The entire website is a paradise for cranks and conspiracy theorists. 

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« Reply #467 on: October 05, 2021, 09:16:AM »
May I suggest you read the window section within the 2001 appeal hearing and form your own opinion (Ground 3, 261 -288).  All I am saying, whether the surrounding facts are correct or not, is that the jury was told by the judge ..."how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case". 

The fact his campaign group have included the windows in the submission shows they are utterly clueless.  Firstly, the judge gave a clear direction to the jury.  Secondly, the judge's summing up was the subject of the first appeal.  Thirdly, the lawyers had a go at the windows for the 2001 appeal and the appeal court judges simply batted it away based on the judge's direction.  Time to move on folks the windows are going nowhere.  Supporters can rant and rave over what they consider to be the unfairness of it all (and verbally abuse me on the basis that I've even mentioned it) but I am afraid this is the system and process. 

The criteria for a successful appeal is NEW evidence or argument not known about at trial ie something that had the jury heard about may have brought about a different verdict.  Whatever is presented about the windows will not meet the criteria as the judge gave a clear direction as above.

When you show you have the intelligence to be a barrister you might be taken seriously regarding the application to the CCRC. As QC has pointed out to you clearly we have no idea of exactly what is in the submissions. If you can’t grasp that you have a serious problems. Nobody on here is ranting and raving as you have suggested regarding forum members. Personally I find your posting very similar to Adams and can’t take you seriously.
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« Reply #468 on: October 05, 2021, 09:19:AM »
At the end of the recent podcast Bamber's supporters refer the audience to a website run on his behalf.  If you want insulting and slanderous nonsense this seems to me to be the go-to place.  It features a section titled 'Liars Lobby' which includes police officers amongst many others.  Quite ironic given your statement above!   

The entire website is a paradise for cranks and conspiracy theorists.

Here you go ranting and raving again.
You really need to calm down over a situation you claim your not interested in either way
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #469 on: October 05, 2021, 09:31:AM »
At the end of the recent podcast Bamber's supporters refer the audience to a website run on his behalf.  If you want insulting and slanderous nonsense this seems to me to be the go-to place.  It features a section titled 'Liars Lobby' which includes police officers amongst many others.  Quite ironic given your statement above!   

The entire website is a paradise for cranks and conspiracy theorists.

The more reasonable JB supporters here on this forum are all critical of the campaign team and believe it does him more harm than good.



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« Reply #470 on: October 05, 2021, 11:30:AM »
At the end of the recent podcast Bamber's supporters refer the audience to a website run on his behalf.  If you want insulting and slanderous nonsense this seems to me to be the go-to place.  It features a section titled 'Liars Lobby' which includes police officers amongst many others.  Quite ironic given your statement above!   
What is ironic about a number of former police officers recognizing that Bamber is innocent? Some cops are honest, some are bent, quite a few are rapists and sex predators. The police mentioned in the liars lobby are evidently liars.
You rant and mouth off for the sake of saying something vacuous. Grow up.

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« Reply #471 on: October 05, 2021, 11:41:AM »
The more reasonable JB supporters here on this forum are all critical of the campaign team and believe it does him more harm than good.

Who are these people?  Did Bamber appoint them or are they self-appointed?  What motivates them?

Have you listened to the podcast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf2WCKkT1M

Some here keep saying no one knows what's in the submissions but they tell us in the podcast.  According to the female the lawyers allowed them carte blanche on the basis they understand the issues!  It seems the lawyer simply rubber stamped it. 

At the end of the podcast the listener is referred to a website

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

I have honestly never heard so much nonsense in my life. 

Around 1.9% of submissions to the review commission are overturned by the appeal courts and I haven't heard or seen anything that will prevent it falling into the 98.1% category.

Why didn't the lawyers or this support group feature in the recent doc?

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« Reply #472 on: October 05, 2021, 11:49:AM »
What is ironic about a number of former police officers recognizing that Bamber is innocent? Some cops are honest, some are bent, quite a few are rapists and sex predators. The police mentioned in the liars lobby are evidently liars.
You rant and mouth off for the sake of saying something vacuous. Grow up.

The liars lobby doesn't even stop at police officers.  It includes forensic scientists, Bamber's relatives and former girlfriend, defence QC at trial, even Douglas Hurd.   :o ;D


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« Reply #473 on: October 05, 2021, 11:53:AM »
Right, OK. Just adjusting my halo  :))

Der Feind deines Feindes ist auch nicht immer dein Feind.

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« Reply #474 on: October 05, 2021, 12:02:PM »
Who are these people?  Did Bamber appoint them or are they self-appointed?  What motivates them?

Have you listened to the podcast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf2WCKkT1M

Some here keep saying no one knows what's in the submissions but they tell us in the podcast.  According to the female the lawyers allowed them carte blanche on the basis they understand the issues!  It seems the lawyer simply rubber stamped it. 

At the end of the podcast the listener is referred to a website

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

I have honestly never heard so much nonsense in my life. 

Around 1.9% of submissions to the review commission are overturned by the appeal courts and I haven't heard or seen anything that will prevent it falling into the 98.1% category.

Why didn't the lawyers or this support group feature in the recent doc?

I have only listened to five minutes of one podcast and it was enough nonsense for me I stopped listening.

I guess they never appeared in the recent documentary because the makers were not prepared to entertain their outlandish theories.


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« Reply #475 on: October 05, 2021, 12:21:PM »
The liars lobby doesn't even stop at police officers.  It includes forensic scientists, Bamber's relatives and former girlfriend, defence QC at trial, even Douglas Hurd.   :o ;D




Yes, forensic scientists too. Remember the Ian Tomlinson case ? There remains to be still a number of bad apples in every profession and one bad apple is too many !

As for the relatives, prior to this case Peter Eaton committed fraud concerning farm machinery etc. and Barbara Wilson reported the matter to the police. Any charges for this crime were dropped and the case swept under the carpet to make way for Jeremy's trial.

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« Reply #476 on: October 05, 2021, 12:55:PM »
Then you have DS Jones tucking a pair of shoes/ slip-ons under his arm, that he'd taken from WHF during his investigation and who promptly turned to Ann Eaton and said, " you didn't see that ". What's that about if police are supposed to be honest ?
Those shoes had belonged to Sheila and may have been worn on the night of the murders, therefore would have had blood on/in them.

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« Reply #477 on: October 05, 2021, 01:11:PM »
There are dozens of anomalies if you look for them !

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« Reply #478 on: October 05, 2021, 01:43:PM »
I have only listened to five minutes of one podcast and it was enough nonsense for me I stopped listening.

I guess they never appeared in the recent documentary because the makers were not prepared to entertain their outlandish theories.

You’re engaging with a troll. And the legal team issued a statement advising that the case was re-built from the ground up by a barrister and another legal professional. The troll you’re engaging with is simply reliant upon the fact that any ‘slam dunk’ evidence has long been got rid off.  Surely you can see through them and understand that?

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« Reply #479 on: October 05, 2021, 01:54:PM »
You’re engaging with a troll. And the legal team issued a statement advising that the case was re-built from the ground up by a barrister and another legal professional. The troll you’re engaging with is simply reliant upon the fact that any ‘slam dunk’ evidence has long been got rid off.  Surely you can see through them and understand that?


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Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000