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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #450 on: October 04, 2021, 02:19:PM »
Nothing up until now hence Bamber is still behind bars.

This facile answer simply proves to me that I was right to consider your appearance on here with a pinch of salt.

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« Reply #451 on: October 04, 2021, 02:23:PM »
Page 10E.

Point 286 of 2001 appeal document.

This is what you posted before..

Yes and it requires strong new evidence or argument underpinning it. 

For example no matter what comes to light about the windows its already redundant as the judge told the jury "cannot affect the outcome of the case".

Some here will be up in arms about the judge's comment, and probably the mere fact I have recited it, but this is the reality of the situation. 

So I asked, at which point in the trial did the judge make the remark.

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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #452 on: October 04, 2021, 02:25:PM »
This facile answer simply proves to me that I was right to consider your appearance on here with a pinch of salt.

What words would you like me to use to communicate a simple fact?

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« Reply #453 on: October 04, 2021, 02:27:PM »
This is what you posted before..

So I asked, at which point in the trial did the judge make the remark.

I've told you to refer to Page E of the trial which is contained in the 2001 appeal document at point 286. 

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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #454 on: October 04, 2021, 02:29:PM »
What words would you like me to use to communicate a simple fact?

I'm not interested tbh. I can't take you seriously. I suggest you carry on debating with whoever else will indulge you.

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« Reply #455 on: October 04, 2021, 02:38:PM »
I've told you to refer to Page E of the trial which is contained in the 2001 appeal document at point 286.

The point I was getting at was whether it was during the summing up. If Rivlin was not privy to any information regarding the windows; and that lack of information was down to some form of non-disclosure, then by default Rivlin was hampered from pursuing the windows issue at trial to that issue's fullest extent. Such arguments would have occurred prior to the summing up.

So for example, Miller told Robert Boutflour that sophisticated equipment had not detected any tampering with the windows. Whether or not that was true or bullshit on the part of Miller, Rivlin would have been able to put Miller on the spot by asking for further clarification of what he meant regarding this remark. Miller then either has to refute the remark or admit to bullshitting Robert Boutflour, which in itself calls in to question Miller's honesty per se.  All of this (and any other windows evidence that has come to light) would have played out before the summing up, as you so succinctly put it, while the kitchen sink was being thrown.
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« Reply #456 on: October 04, 2021, 03:09:PM »
But frankly having a bunch of amateur slueths and wannabe lawyers running the show is not helpful to Bamber.
What absolutely insulting and slanderous nonsense; at least 3 of the people assisting the campaign are former police detectives. There is far more experienced expertise in place working on the appeal process than your limited knowledge of the case suggests.

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« Reply #457 on: October 04, 2021, 03:14:PM »
Thankyou for that Bill.

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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #458 on: October 04, 2021, 03:56:PM »
Taken from the red

Does anyone know why David James Smith has been promoted as a ‘Sunday times journalist’ by the Mindhouse TV production and not as a journalist and ex criminal cases review commissioner (CCRC) ?

If journalist David James Smith were still a CCRC commissioner would he be ‘strongly arguing for referral’ of Bamber’s 5 murder convictions?

March 2021
’A former commissioner, David James Smith told Newsnight that if he was still with the CCRC he would be ‘strongly arguing’ for referral. ‘’When you break it down each of the elements that led to the conviction has a weakness about them,’ he said.

Did he put himself forward to appear on the Mindhouse TV production or did they approach him?
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Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #459 on: October 04, 2021, 04:09:PM »
" I had no reason to disbelieve him " was what David James Smith had said on meeting JB in prison prior to the docu.

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« Reply #460 on: October 04, 2021, 04:15:PM »
" I had no reason to disbelieve him " was what David James Smith had said on meeting JB in prison prior to the docu.

I very much doubt Smith would support JB. If he did, we would know about it.

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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #461 on: October 04, 2021, 04:20:PM »
I very much doubt Smith would support JB. If he did, we would know about it.

Very strange when he said he had no reason to disbelieve him ???
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #462 on: October 04, 2021, 09:00:PM »
If that is a criticism aimed at me, I think it's a bit harsh. Maybe not totally underserved but certainly excessive.

It wasn't aimed at you really.  If everybody on the Forum was as civil as you are, there'd be no problems and the Forum would be busier.

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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #463 on: October 04, 2021, 09:16:PM »
I'm civil most of the time except when Mad-A is about. He'll be pleased to know that he gets on me wick.

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Re: Louis Theroux
« Reply #464 on: October 05, 2021, 07:54:AM »
It wasn't aimed at you really.  If everybody on the Forum was as civil as you are, there'd be no problems and the Forum would be busier.

Right, OK. Just adjusting my halo  :))