Louis Theroux

[lookout]

It was a straight forward conviction. The police suspecting Bamber a few days after the massacre.

Throughout the 90's & early noughties, Mike was Bamber's only supporter.

The internet has resulted in minor things being magnified. Together with the old chestnut of withheld documents. Even QC has been duped.

Those " minor things " were pieces of crucial evidence which were omitted at trial and would have had a huge and different outcome for JB. The jury were well and truly hoodwinked !
If that investigation and trial was held today, JB would have remained free.

[Rob_]

Wasn't it Rivlin who'd suggested that it was " a trick of the light ", and Bews duly agreed ?

I bet Bews breathed a sigh of relief Lookout, I would have absolutely grilled him!!

I want to know why they ran!!

[killingeve]

If, as you say it was a " straightforward conviction " then why, after 36 years is it still rumbling on, or rather why are you still rumbling on ?

Bamber has been behind bars for over 36 years.  He has had 2 failed appeals and is on his third submission to the CCRC so yes the conviction is still rumbling on. 

[lookout]

QC duped ?

[killingeve]

Those " minor things " were pieces of crucial evidence which were omitted at trial and would have had a huge and different outcome for JB. The jury were well and truly hoodwinked !
If that investigation and trial was held today, JB would have remained free.

I doubt the case would get to trial today.

[ngb1066]

You need to provide documents to the CT. They have been searching for 36 years 

Who testified about the 'trick of a light'? Have you got sources please? Either way, the jury were not impressed.

I suspect that the CT are aware of the existence of evidence about the NOW contract.  It is up to them how they choose to use material in their possession.  I am no longer in contact with them.

Bews was cross examined by Rivlin about the "trick of the light".  I cannot be bothered to look but the relevant transcript is posted here somewhere.

[lookout]

I doubt the case would get to trial today.

I doubt it too.

[killingeve]

Quote " The log relating to Nevill's call states " message passed to CD by son of Mr Bamber after the phone went dead ". This line allowed the prosecution to argue that this log was started because a call from Jeremy was passed from one office to another. In other words they argued that this log relates only to Jeremy's call.
In reality, the line " message passed to CD by son of Mr Bamber " was added to the log later on after Jeremy had contacted PC West some 10 minutes after the initial call from Nevill. Therefore the statement " message passed to CD by son of Mr Bamber " has nothing to do with the original telephone conversation between PC West and Nevill but refers to new information being passed to Bonnett after the second telephone call, this one made by Jeremy.

Audio's of both calls have failed to materialise " End Quote.

PC West explained the logs succinctly in the doc.  The logs clearly show the call Bamber made to the police (PC West) and PC West's call to Malcolm Bonnett.  No evidence exists of a call to the police from Mr Bamber Snr.

[Rob_]

AE has only appeared in one documentary. Where she spoke about Sheila not being able to overpower Nevill. Sadly not on Youtube.

You only responded to 4 of my 34 flaws in your Sheila scenario. Is not having a Sheila scenario not important?

Adam I am not going to right a book on what is basically a guess, as I have said before a Sheila scenario is not important to me anyway.

The police were convinced there was nothing suspicious with the crime scene.

[Steve_uk]

PC West explained the logs succinctly in the doc.  The logs clearly show the call Bamber made to the police (PC West) and PC West's call to Malcolm Bonnett.  No evidence exists of a call to the police from Mr Bamber Snr.

Well at least someone's got it.

[Steve_uk]

Adam I am not going to right a book on what is basically a guess, as I have said before a Sheila scenario is not important to me anyway.

The police were convinced there was nothing suspicious with the crime scene.

No because they had been primed for hours by a conman who had perfected his art.

[killingeve]

AE has only appeared in one documentary. Where she spoke about Sheila not being able to overpower Nevill. Sadly not on Youtube.

You only responded to 4 of my 34 flaws in your Sheila scenario. Is not having a Sheila scenario not important?

The appeal judge, Justice Henriques (I think), said in the doc he thought Sheila would be unable to overpower her father and this was the most compelling piece of evidence as far as he was concerned. 

[Rob_]

No because they had been primed for hours by a conman who had perfected his art.

They got conned I agree but not sure it was JB?

[Rob_]

The appeal judge, Justice Henriques (I think), said in the doc he thought Sheila would be unable to overpower her father and this was the most compelling piece of evidence as far as he was concerned.

I don't understand this? she had a rifle.

[Adam]

I suspect that the CT are aware of the existence of evidence about the NOW contract.  It is up to them how they choose to use material in their possession.  I am no longer in contact with them.

Bews was cross examined by Rivlin about the "trick of the light".  I cannot be bothered to look but the relevant transcript is posted here somewhere.

It's too late now. The CCRC submission has been made.

If Bews was cross examined, the defence would have asked Bamber for his version. Not really an issue now as it was an issue at trial.