THE SILENCER SAGA

[Roch]

Really?  In his own fair hand and signed to confirm such?

They're COLP notes. Not sure if that's what you're referring to.

[killingeve]

They're COLP notes. Not sure if that's what you're referring to.

Are they in DB's own hand and/or did he sign off?  If the answer is yes to both has the doc been authenticated by an expert?

[Roch]

Are they in DB's own hand and/or did he sign off?  If the answer is yes to both has the doc been authenticated by an expert?

All COLP notes are in the same handwriting. If you are suggesting that somebody copied the note-taker's handwriting, in order to create a story about a blob of blood, I doubt you will get far.

[killingeve]

All COLP notes are in the same handwriting. If you are suggesting that somebody copied the note-taker's handwriting, in order to create a story about a blob of blood, I doubt you will get far.

I'm not suggesting anything. I am saying that a hand written document not in the author's hand and unsigned is not worth the paper its written on.  Do you think the document David uploaded would stand up in a court of law if David Boutflour denied saying those words?

[Roch]

I'm not suggesting anything. I am saying that a hand written document not in the author's hand and unsigned is not worth the paper its written on.  Do you think the document David uploaded would stand up in a court of law if David Boutflour denied saying those words?

If he wished to do so, then that would be his prerogative. But by default, the implications are that the note-taker for COLP made up the notes in question.  Would that in turn imply that all other notes by the COLP note-taker were also invented?

[killingeve]

If he wished to do so, then that would be his prerogative. But by default, the implications are that the note-taker for COLP made up the notes in question.  Would that in turn imply that all other notes by the COLP note-taker were also invented?

Totally unreliable and not worth the paper.

Surely its common sense that if COLP was undertaking a proper robust investigation then interviewees need to write their version of events (notes) in their own words/hand and sign accordingly?

[Roch]

Totally unreliable and not worth the paper.

Surely its common sense that if COLP was undertaking a proper robust investigation then interviewees need to write their version of events (notes) in their own words/hand and sign accordingly?

You would need to take that up with COLP. I assume they interviewed witnesses one at a time, with a note taker present.  Either the actual notes or photocopies of the notes were then retained in storage. Eventually, the notes were disclosed to the defence.

At some point, either upon release or at a later period, the notes would have been entered in to the archive and cross-referencing system used by the CT.

[killingeve]

You would need to take that up with COLP. I assume they interviewed witnesses one at a time, with a note taker present.  Either the actual notes or photocopies of the notes were then retained in storage. Eventually, the notes were disclosed to the defence.

At some point, either upon release or at a later period, the notes would have been entered in to the archive and cross-referencing system used by the CT.

On what basis have you made this assumption?

[David1819]

All COLP notes are in the same handwriting. If you are suggesting that somebody copied the note-taker's handwriting, in order to create a story about a blob of blood, I doubt you will get far.

The whole document can be found here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1997.msg61037.html#msg61037

[killingeve]

The whole document can be found here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1997.msg61037.html#msg61037

The word document conjures up authenticity when the above is anything but.

[Roch]

On what basis have you made this assumption?

On the basis that all COLP notes that I have seen are in the same handwriting. The only other option that there could be, is that COLP took recordings that were later transcribed. I am not aware of any COLP recordings having been released to the defence. Therefore, in this scenario, I would expect it to be more likely that they were transcribed as part of the enquiry itself.

[Roch]

The word document conjures up authenticity when the above is anything but.

Are you inferring that all handwritten COLP notes should be dismissed?

[David1819]

On the basis that all COLP notes that I have seen are in the same handwriting. The only other option that there could be, is that COLP took recordings that were later transcribed. I am not aware of any COLP recordings having been released to the defence. Therefore, in this scenario, I would expect it to be more likely that they were transcribed as part of the enquiry itself.

DBs COLP statement was taken at his farm in Wix. Likewise AEs COLP statement was taken at WHF.

[killingeve]

Are you inferring that all handwritten COLP notes should be dismissed?

If push came to shove do you think what you and David have presented would stand up in a court of law?
 

[killingeve]

DBs COLP statement was taken at his farm in Wix. Likewise AEs COLP statement was taken at WHF.

What evidence exists that DB's/AE's COLP statements were taken at BAF/WHF?