THE SILENCER SAGA

[Roch]

If push came to shove do you think what you and David have presented would stand up in a court of law?

That would depend on whether notes taken as part of a police enquiry would stand up in a court of law. Essex Police continually issue generic statements whereby they make reference to enquiries having found no wrongdoing. I assume therefore that the enquiry attained some standing in and of itself.  If the evidence gathered to carry out the enquiry will not stand up in a court of law, then perhaps the findings of the enquiry should be dismissed.

[killingeve]

That would depend on whether notes taken as part of a police enquiry would stand up in a court of law. Essex Police continually issue generic statements whereby they make reference to enquiries having found no wrongdoing. I assume therefore that the enquiry attained some standing in and of itself.  If the evidence gathered to carry out the enquiry will not stand up in a court of law, then perhaps the findings of the enquiry should be dismissed.

I can tell you for a fact unsigned hand-written notes written by some unknown individual are not going to stand up.  Surely its obvious? 

Who wrote the notes? 

[Roch]

I can tell you for a fact unsigned hand-written notes written by some unknown individual are not going to stand up.  Surely its obvious? 

Who wrote the notes?

Are you implying that COLP used an 'unknown person' as note-taker?  Or are you merely asking if I know the identity of their note-taker? Personally I do not know the identity.

[Roch]

I can tell you for a fact unsigned hand-written notes written by some unknown individual are not going to stand up.  Surely its obvious? 

They seemed to stand up as a basis for the enquiry. And the result of that enquiry, is touted by Essex Constabulary, as a reason why there is no evidence of wrongdoing.

[killingeve]

Are you implying that COLP used an 'unknown person' as note-taker?  Or are you merely asking if I know the identity of their note-taker? Personally I do not know the identity.

I am saying notes purporting to be from various individuals not in their hand and unsigned are simply not worth the paper.   

Storm Eunice is getting a bit more feisty in SE Engalnd.  I'm wondering if I should take out my SUP for some extreme boarding!!!

And in answer to your question the other day about US ale I'm not keen as I find them too hoppy.  Quite like Sierra Nevada tho.  Have recently sampled an old favourite 'Old Peculiar' by Theakston.  How about you?

[killingeve]

They seemed to stand up as a basis for the enquiry. And the result of that enquiry, is touted by Essex Constabulary, as a reason why there is no evidence of wrongdoing.

Lets see if they stand the test of time!

[Roch]

I am saying notes purporting to be from various individuals not in their hand and unsigned are simply not worth the paper.   

Storm Eunice is getting a bit more feisty in SE Engalnd.  I'm wondering if I should take out my SUP for some extreme boarding!!!

And in answer to your question the other day about US ale I'm not keen as I find them too hoppy.  Quite like Sierra Nevada tho.  Have recently sampled an old favourite 'Old Peculiar' by Theakston.  How about you?

Southerners are getting a taste of what we had in November. I hope everyone remains safe. Up here we had houses shedding walls of bricks. Fences were down all over the place.

Sierra Nevada is good. There is also Lagunita's (I think that's what it's called) and Anchor Brewing Co  do some nice ones.

[Roch]

In addition, not a massive fan of Old Peculiar.

[killingeve]

Southerners are getting a taste of what we had in November. I hope everyone remains safe. Up here we had houses shedding walls of bricks. Fences were down all over the place.

Sierra Nevada is good. There is also Lagunita's (I think that's what it's called) and Anchor Brewing Co  do some nice ones.

Yes I was really into Lagunita a few years ago when it first came to market in the UK.  Are you more lager, ale, pale ale, IPA?  Which are your favourites? 

[Roch]

Yes I was really into Lagunita a few years ago when it first came to market in the UK.  Are you more lager, ale, pale ale, IPA?  Which are your favourites?

I shifted from lager to ales during my 40's.  What I like about the American beers is that they almost seem to be a hybrid between ale and lager. Regarding 'traditional' ales, I like quite a few. Marston's Old Empire IPA (think that's right) and Brew Dog Punk IPA being a couple of examples. Kentish Ale and Jaipur also nice. Also Banana Bread Beer is surprisingly nice.

[killingeve]

I shifted from lager to ales during my 40's.  What I like about the American beers is that they almost seem to be a hybrid between ale and lager. Regarding 'traditional' ales, I like quite a few. Empire IPA and Brew Dog Punk IPA being a couple of examples. Kentish Ale and Jaipur also nice. Also Banana Bread Beer is surprisingly nice.

Jaipur is superb.  I had a few bottles of Banana Bread recently having not had any for years and really enjoyed.  Have you tried Little Creatures?  McEwans Champion is nice at 7.3% abv    I used to try loads of different ones and keep notes  but that was in the days of off licences.  Supermarkets don't tend to carry such a range and/or don't change the range that often. 

[Bubo bubo]

Just a couple of points on the COLP enquiry. I cannot discuss my favourite alcoholic  beverage went TT 20 years ago. As far as being an interviewee in the enquiry, surely you would wish to see a transcript of your interview (if taped) or some typed document to ensure you are not being misrepresented. Having a solicitor present might look as if you had something to hide but also a possibility. DB had a police federation representative at his.

Although it concluded no evidence of wrong doing we know that DB lied to the enquiry with regard to finding DB1. I will not re-debate this aspect, my views are already set out clearly. He made 2 witness statements on the same day. One was used at trial the other for the enquiry. They had different contents.

[Roch]

Jaipur is superb.  I had a few bottles of Banana Bread recently having not had any for years and really enjoyed.  Have you tried Little Creatures?  McEwans Champion is nice at 7.3% abv    I used to try loads of different ones and keep notes  but that was in the days of off licences.  Supermarkets don't tend to carry such a range and/or don't change the range that often.

Not sure, little creatures does ring a bell. I sometimes have the McEwan's one but I ration buying it. Tbh, we used to get 3 for £5 from Tesco's but it means choices are repetitive. Good deal though.

[killingeve]

Just a couple of points on the COLP enquiry. I cannot discuss my favourite alcoholic  beverage went TT 20 years ago. As far as being an interviewee in the enquiry, surely you would wish to see a transcript of your interview (if taped) or some typed document to ensure you are not being misrepresented. Having a solicitor present might look as if you had something to hide but also a possibility. DB had a police federation representative at his.

Although it concluded no evidence of wrong doing we know that DB lied to the enquiry with regard to finding DB1. I will not re-debate this aspect, my views are already set out clearly. He made 2 witness statements on the same day. One was used at trial the other for the enquiry. They had different contents.

Life's too short to be sensible/tt. 

If witness statements, COLP notes etc do not follow a similar format to the following then frankly they mean sfa. 

https://www.cheshire.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/images/cheshire/dashcam/dashcam-example-statement.pdf

As far as I can see the only reliable evidence about DB and the finding of the silencer are the various docu/dramas as these contain audio visuals of the man himself.   

What evidence exists that a police federation rep was present when DB provided non-trial testimony?

[Bubo bubo]

Life's too short to be sensible/tt. 

If witness statements, COLP notes etc do not follow a similar format to the following then frankly they mean sfa. 

https://www.cheshire.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/images/cheshire/dashcam/dashcam-example-statement.pdf

As far as I can see the only reliable evidence about DB and the finding of the silencer are the various docu/dramas as these contain audio visuals of the man himself.   

What evidence exists that a police federation rep was present when DB provided non-trial testimony?

I mean DB not DRB. It is stated in the introduction of his taped interview with COLP. Full transcript available.