First 9 shots in the main bedroom - following the evidence:

[Adam]

I have already agreed with David that a drop of blood may have fallen from Nevill in the main bedroom.

The 5 carpet samples tested did not pick this up amongst the mountain of June's blood.

[Adam]

Bamber enters main bedroom. Nevill and June are in bed. Asleep.

Bamber fires 5 shots into June. In different locations. From June's side of the bed.

Nevill starts waking while June receives her first 5 shots.

Bamber fires two face shots into Nevill while Nevill is simultaneously getting out of bed.

Bamber and Nevill are now several feet from each other. Bamber aims for the easiest target - Nevill's torso. Firing his final two shots.

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Not sure how much simpler I can make it.

[Adam]

Of course Nevill & June were in bed & asleep when Bamber entered the main bedroom.

How else was he able to fire 5 shots into June while she lay in bed & then 2 face shots into Nevill from inches away?

[guest7363]

Not sure how much simpler I can make it.

Its hard to tell the exact location of the shots to Neville, but this is the official version anyway.
If one accepts that the four shots to the head which would have immobilised and killed Nevill Bamber were fired in the kitchen where his body was recovered, it would follow that he had received the less serious injuries upstairs in the bedroom and was then able to make his way downstairs where he was subsequently killed.


In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber’s body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

So the rifle was within inches for six shots and the shell casings were found in the bedroom and kitchen with one on the stairs.

[David1819]

Its hard to tell the exact location of the shots to Neville, but this is the official version anyway.
If one accepts that the four shots to the head which would have immobilised and killed Nevill Bamber were fired in the kitchen where his body was recovered, it would follow that he had received the less serious injuries upstairs in the bedroom and was then able to make his way downstairs where he was subsequently killed.


In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber’s body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

So the rifle was within inches for six shots and the shell casings were found in the bedroom and kitchen with one on the stairs.

One must consider the fact that Malcom Fletcher came to this conclusion by looking at autopsy photographs. And did not inspect the actual wounds as would be best practice.

And when you also factor in that Nevils head was in contact with a coal scuttle. Its very possible that Fletchers opinion is being skewed by a phenomenon known as "Pseudo Powder Tattooing"

https://www.bevfitchett.us/gunshot-wounds/stippling-powder-tattooing-and-pseudopowder-tattooing.html

[guest7363]

One must consider the fact that Malcom Fletcher came to this conclusion by looking at autopsy photographs. And did not inspect the actual wounds as would be best practice.

And when you also factor in that Nevils head was in contact with a coal scuttle. Its very possible that Fletchers opinion is being skewed by a phenomenon known as "Pseudo Powder Tattooing"

https://www.bevfitchett.us/gunshot-wounds/stippling-powder-tattooing-and-pseudopowder-tattooing.html

I agree it’s very hard to say exactly where the shots was fired from.  I would have thought that if the shots were fired from any further distance than a few feet they could tell?  But the investigation was shocking so who knows?

[Adam]

Bamber would fire for the head when the rifle was inches away. He would not risk missing and wasting bullets on such a small target from feet away.

The two torso shots were from feet away when Nevill was more mobile. The torso being the bigger target.

[mike tesko]

So the rifle was within inches for six shots and the shell casings were found in the bedroom and kitchen with one on the stairs.

Bullet cases 'DRH/1', DRH/2', 'DRH/3' and 'DRH/4', were added into the main bedroom scenario, once the nature of the police investigation changed from being one of 'Four murders and a suicide', into an investigation of 'five murders. Therefore, police have' tampered with the crime scene' in order to make out the false case that' Neville Bamber' was shot four times whilst upstairs [`Shot three times in the main bedroom, and a further shot as he was either coming up, or going down the main staircase] !

[Adam]

COA

In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

[mike tesko]

The four fatal headshots were inflicted whilst 'Neville Bamber' was sat perched on one of the two wooden chairs situated on the kitchen side of the internal doorway that offers entry to either the main kitchen, and the hallway on the opposite side of the said door...

[mike tesko]

The four fatal headshots were inflicted whilst 'Neville Bamber' was sat perched on one of the two wooden chairs situated on the kitchen side of the internal doorway that offers entry to either the main kitchen, and the hallway on the opposite side of the said door...

All of these four fatal head shots could have been inflicted by a member of the raid party who were being delayed from entering the main kitchen because there was something big and heavy on the kitchen side of the door preventing them from moving deeper into the premises..

COPS shot 'Sheila' at more or less the same time, and mistakenly thought she was dead in the kitchen..

That's a 'total of five bullets' , that police needed to account for by other means,  because 'five live rounds' were 'discharged from a police weapon' at 'the time of entry into the farmhouse' [`four shots to the head' of 'Neville Bamber', and one shot into 'Sheila Caffells' neck]..

[guest7363]

COA

In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

Thats how I read it as well, you have to remember, the shell casings would have less bounce when ejected in the carpet as opposed to the kitchen floor?

[lookout]

I have already agreed with David that a drop of blood may have fallen from Nevill in the main bedroom.

The 5 carpet samples tested did not pick this up amongst the mountain of June's blood.

The " mountain " of June's blood was destroyed along with the blood-sodden carpet which covered the main bedroom.

[arthur]

"Bamber fires two face shots into Nevill while Nevill is simultaneously getting out of bed"...

Surely the big issue here is how did Nevill, amongst all this carnage, make his way to the phone and make two phone calls.

Reading through some of the posts and theories it was like the wild west in there. Probable truth is they were all dead by 2.45am ish and JB made the call to Police then raced back home to make the second call. It's no big mystery.

[David1819]

The " mountain " of June's blood was destroyed along with the blood-sodden carpet which covered the main bedroom.

No, it wasn't.