Jeremys slow drive to WHF

[Adam]

I reckon he was panicking like hell if gulity. Even if he had been planning the massacre for a long time.

In a short period he had killed five members of his family. Can you imagine what emotions would have been running through his head.? The amount of adrenalin. Maybe he even had regrets. Maybe the confidence he had came later after taff Jones accepted his story as face value. And he thought he was in the clear.

At the time though. How would he know he would be certainly believed. In that drive to the farm. He had no idea if what the police would say to him or think. Remember bamber had no criminal record and his only record of contact with police was a none criminal matter regarding a RTA some months before.

Think of the statement that many people who believe bamber is gulity say " there is no way the small shelia could commit such an act" I strongly believe bamber would have thought this would never be believed either.  I think from the moment of making the phone call and driving to WHF he knew he was taking a massive gamble. He didn't know he would be believed despite arragonce, etc ( I am talking from a gulity bamber scenario here or course)

Bamber testified he drove slowly as he wanted to arrive after the police.

Agree he may have also driven slowly as he was panicking a bit & was trying to compose himself. There was still a lot of work to do. There was also no hurry. Only Crispy was alive inside WHF.

Arriving after the police does look better than already being there when the police arrive. The police picking him up looks better than both.

[Adam]

Bamber would not have been expecting the police to overtake him while driving to WHF. A blow for him.

[lookout]

How would it have looked to everyone if Jeremy had overtaken the police ? Guilty ??

[lookout]

Too eager to make sure that everyone was dead, or what ? Remember, JB had wanted to enter to see his dad ?

[lookout]

Speaking about the way JB drove really is scraping the barrel/ clutching at straws. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the murder that happened that night.

Personally, in view of the anxious phone-calls that took place I was always puzzled as to why EP hadn't taken JB in their car. Why didn't they ?

[Adam]

Speaking about the way JB drove really is scraping the barrel/ clutching at straws. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the murder that happened that night.

Personally, in view of the anxious phone-calls that took place I was always puzzled as to why EP hadn't taken JB in their car. Why didn't they ?

Probably because he lived 3 miles away, had a car, there would be no traffic & he knew the route.

The police would have driven him back to his cottage after the 5 bodies were discovered. But he was able to drive back himself.

[JackieD]

Speaking about the way JB drove really is scraping the barrel/ clutching at straws. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the murder that happened that night.

Personally, in view of the anxious phone-calls that took place I was always puzzled as to why EP hadn't taken JB in their car. Why didn't they ?

It’s all absolute rubbish whether he drove slowly or fast??

I went to Mersey Island for the weekend (good beaches for my dog) and drove back stopping at Maldon and was struck by what a depressing place the area of the murders was. Definitely not a good place for the likes of Sheila or Jeremy

[guest29835]

It’s all absolute rubbish whether he drove slowly or fast??

I went to Mersey Island for the weekend (good beaches for my dog) and drove back stopping at Maldon and was struck by what a depressing place the area of the murders was. Definitely not a good place for the likes of Sheila or Jeremy

Don't agree I'm afraid.  On this point, Adam is correct that a guilty Jeremy would want to make a show of being seen to arrive after the police.  This was in the days before itemised phone billing and so he didn't have a proper alibi.

[ILB]

Speaking about the way JB drove really is scraping the barrel/ clutching at straws. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the murder that happened that night.

Personally, in view of the anxious phone-calls that took place I was always puzzled as to why EP hadn't taken JB in their car. Why didn't they ?

I disagree. It can strongly reflect his state of mind at the present moment

[ILB]

Bamber testified he drove slowly as he wanted to arrive after the police.

Agree he may have also driven slowly as he was panicking a bit & was trying to compose himself. There was still a lot of work to do. There was also no hurry. Only Crispy was alive inside WHF.

Arriving after the police does look better than already being there when the police arrive. The police picking him up looks better than both.

I don't reference the hurry Adam. I mean his state of mind. I have met Jeremy bamber. He isn't a stupid individual. I think he would have had a flurry of emotion and the most obvious is that he was on a massive gamble. I believe the slow drive was buying himself time because he was reluctant to speak to the police. Perhaps reluctant is the wrong word. He had if guilty just murdered five people, I believe he was worried and the full reality of what he had done had hit him like a steamroller.

Its all very well planning. And having a vision like he has supposed to have killing his family for his inheritance. But I reckon after he would have been a psychological wreck. Talking from a guilty bamber scenario. He. did remarkably well to front it out in the early stages

[David1819]

Based on my calculations. Jeremy drove at an average of 31mph to WHF.

[David1819]

Bamber testified he drove slowly as he wanted to arrive after the police.

Where did you get this from? According to the COA no surviving transcript of JBs trial testimony exists.

[Adam]

Where did you get this from? According to the COA no surviving transcript of JBs trial testimony exists.

Wilkes.

[Adam]

Where did you get this from? According to the COA no surviving transcript of JBs trial testimony exists.

It's no surprise he would say this. He has to give a reason.  He can say he was scared.

[David1819]

Wilkes.

According to point 137 of the COA judgment, there is no transcript of JBs trial testimony.

"The Appellant's Evidence at Trial

137. No transcript has survived as to the appellant's evidence in chief, although it seems clear from the summing up that it was entirely consistent with that which he had told the police. A transcript of his cross-examination is available. In cross-examination the appellant said Sheila Caffell had frequent delusions and had spoken to him of suicide."

How can Wilkes write about JBs testimony when no transcript of it exists? Either Wilkes has made this up or the COA is wrong.