Julie Mugford - the (lying) Criminal, exposed...

[andrea]

Re Colin Caffell. Did the family offer him any of the inheritance? I know that money can't make up for losing your two children but I would have thought they would offer something considering that they believed that their relative had killed Colin's children.

i dont think colin got a penny, and if the twins had died last (which i dont think they did) the money left fro the other wills would have gone to them, when they died , the money would have gone to their next of kin which would haver been colin. but colin caffell should have got something, it was he who lost the most that day.

[andrea]

But IF she was telling the truth, she could have saved their lives...

Yes, but as unpleasant as it is... Jeremy would not of been the first lad who felt he was being short changed by his parents to say things like I hate my parents or I wish they were dead.. etc etc... i dont think people's, especially close lovers etc, first reaction to a claim like that is... "oh my god he means it I must call the police!"

like i mentioned on a previous post, jeremy had been tellin jm for some time of his intentions to kill his family, but when he rings her in the early hrs and tells her theres something wrong at the farm she tells him not to worry and to go back to bed? now, shouldnt that have sent alarm bells off along the lines of "my god hes gone and done it" nope, it didnt. something not right.
I don't think she could have prevented the murders, it's her behaviour afterwards which is dodgy.

[Jackiepreece]

Really vile and disgusting  are too good a word for anyone in on a supposed plan like that

I bet Colin Caffell was never given a penny

Something I wondered as well how soon did jm go to Canada and did she go when she realised Jeremy would be appealing

[Kaldin]

Re Colin Caffell. Did the family offer him any of the inheritance? I know that money can't make up for losing your two children but I would have thought they would offer something considering that they believed that their relative had killed Colin's children.

i dont think colin got a penny, and if the twins had died last (which i dont think they did) the money left fro the other wills would have gone to them, when they died , the money would have gone to their next of kin which would haver been colin. but colin caffell should have got something, it was he who lost the most that day.

It seems to me that it was assumed that Sheila died last, and therefore her inheritance went to her grandmother - Pamela Boutflour's mother, who in turn left her money to Pamela. They did some kind of deal with Neville's relatives so they got some of the money too I think.

Regardless of who should have had the money legally, you'd think that the relatives would have offered Colin something as he'd lost his children. They all sound a bit greedy to me. If the murders hadn't happened, they wouldn't have seen a penny of it, but they seemed to think it was theirs anyway.

[andrea]

according to colin in his book, the money would have gone to him. i agree yes the family were greedy.

[Pete0001]

But IF she was telling the truth, she could have saved their lives...

Yes, but as unpleasant as it is... Jeremy would not of been the first lad who felt he was being short changed by his parents to say things like I hate my parents or I wish they were dead.. etc etc... i dont think people's, especially close lovers etc, first reaction to a claim like that is... "oh my god he means it I must call the police!"

like i mentioned on a previous post, jeremy had been tellin jm for some time of his intentions to kill his family, but when he rings her in the early hrs and tells her theres something wrong at the farm she tells him not to worry and to go back to bed? now, shouldnt that have sent alarm bells off along the lines of "my god hes gone and done it" nope, it didnt. something not right.
I don't think she could have prevented the murders, it's her behaviour afterwards which is dodgy.

But why in the middle of the night when you are called and told "somethings wrong at the farm" would your first reaction be... He's murdered everyone?

Being told someones intentions for sometime (we have no time period here or how many times he said it to quote) doesn't mean that at 3am or 3.30am a call to say something is wrong (especially when there is someone with mental health problems staying there) would be that big a deal...

[Kaldin]

Really vile and disgusting  are too good a word for anyone in on a supposed plan like that

I bet Colin Caffell was never given a penny

Something I wondered as well how soon did jm go to Canada and did she go when she realised Jeremy would be appealing

There was all that stuff about her selling her story to the News of the World too, but I've never seen that.

I wonder what she did after Jeremy was arrested. Finished her course I suppose, and then went to Canada after the trial. Must have been quite stressful really whichever way you look at it. I wonder what she would have done if he'd got off.

[Kaldin]

according to colin in his book, the money would have gone to him. i agree yes the family were greedy.

Mind you, he wrote a book so presumably he expected to make money out of that. I'm not sure I like the sound of any of them really.

[andrea]

because hadnt he supposedly told her earlier in the night "tonights the night". it should have sent alarm bells ringing.

[mb1]

according to colin in his book, the money would have gone to him. i agree yes the family were greedy.

Wills and intestacy are complicated.

If it was assumed Neville and June died first, their wills come into play.

If Sheila had made a will, and was decreed to have died after N + J, this would have been included in her estate. Whoever she bequeathed her estate to would get it. As her sons were dead it would go to their nearest blood relatives on a percentile basis. If she died intestate, it would go to her nearest blood relatives - not her ex-husband.
Her natural mother and father and any half siblings would have been able to claim on Sheila's estate.

[Kaldin]

because hadnt he supposedly told her earlier in the night "tonights the night". it should have sent alarm bells ringing.

I don't know andrea - it's all a bit odd really.

If Jeremy was saying all this stuff to her beforehand I can understand it if she didn't believe him. If someone talks about killing their family, you'd just think they were a bit of a prat or something or you'd tell them not to be so stupid. However, Jeremy was a handsome man so perhaps she was a bit in awe of him and she put up with it.

[andrea]

after the murders colin spent time working with criminals including murderers and sex offenders, he also went on a course ran by elizabeth kubler ross in order to help other bereaved parents. colin is now a full time sculpture, ive been on his website and his work is fantastic. there is a piece he sculptered, which is beautiful but quite sad, it shows colin holding the twins its hard to tell if theyre sleeping or dead and his head on one of their chests, as if listening for a hearbeat.he did that sculpture just after the twins had died.

[Kaldin]

according to colin in his book, the money would have gone to him. i agree yes the family were greedy.

Wills and intestacy are complicated.

If it was assumed Neville and June died first, their wills come into play.

If Sheila had made a will, and was decreed to have died after N + J, this would have been included in her estate. Whoever she bequeathed her estate to would get it. As her sons were dead it would go to their nearest blood relatives on a percentile basis. If she died intestate, it would go to her nearest blood relatives - not her ex-husband.
Her natural mother and father and any half siblings would have been able to claim on Sheila's estate.

I don't think Sheila had made a will.

Colin wouldn't have got anything via Sheila, but if the twins died last he should have got it via them - because Sheila's estate would have gone to them.

I have read on here that the twins couldn't inherit because they were too young but I don't understand that at all - since when can children not inherit?

[andrea]

the money from mabel speakmans will (junes mother) would have gone to june, when june died the money would then be passed to jeremy and shiela. ms speakman died only weeks after the murders, when boutflour realised this he went and sought legal advise and got ms speakman to change the will in their favour.with ms speakmans consent of course.

[Kaldin]

the money from mabel speakmans will (junes mother) would have gone to june, when june died the money would then be passed to jeremy and shiela. ms speakman died only weeks after the murders, when boutflour realised this he went and sought legal advise and got ms speakman to change the will in their favour.with ms speakmans consent of course.

Mabel Speakman left everything to June? What about Pamela?

The Bambers had their own money and property so it wasn't just about Mabel Speakman's estate.