Julie Mugford - the (lying) Criminal, exposed...

[Kaldin]

Thing is Kaldin, Julie didn't stick to her story, it evolved over 30+ statements then she stuck to her final story when it came to court. When she was first interviewed she said absolutely nothing to implicate him, then her story evolved. If she was telling the truth about him bragging about killing his family, she would have told all then surely? Anyway, it's all in the hands of the CCRC and the media now (waiting for the nod to go ahead publishing), they have proof he's innocent, so by definition, her final story that she told the court cannot be relied on, in my opinion.

I understand what you mean, but her basic story after she went to the police didn't change fundamentally did it? That story was that Jeremy was guilty of murder (or conspiracy to murder).

At first, she didn't implicate Jeremy - it was only after he dumped her that she did that. She stuck to her guns after that and said that Jeremy told her he'd done one way or another. Perhaps she didn't tell the police what he'd said at first because she thought he was bragging or being sarcastic. It was only later that she became angry with him, and in her mind his story became the truth rather than sarcasm?

There is no proof that he's innocent - they have things which throw doubt on it, that's all.

[Kaldin]

How do you know what the defence team have?

I mean I've seen nothing on here or in the press to prove he is innocent. Do you have anything more?

[Kaldin]

How do you know what the defence team have?

I mean I've seen nothing on here or in the press to prove he is innocent. Do you have anything more?

I understand the press have stuff and they're waiting for the CCRC announcement, and obviously all JB's team's evidence is with them/the CCRC - you're not likely to see it on here

OK, thanks. I hope it's good because the stuff on here and the stuff the press have published as "proof" so far has not been very credible to me.

[Kaldin]

One thing that bothers me about Julie Mugford's story is this:

She went to the police in September and told them Jeremy had told her that he paid Matthew MacDonald to commit the murders.

Why would she say that if Jeremy did not tell her that? If she wanted to lie and drop Jeremy in it, why would she say that Matthew MacDonad did it? Did she have some kind of grudge against Matthew MacDonald as well?

[Alex]

Good question.  Matthew MacDonald was said to be a hitman - a myth he apparently did nothing to dispel (but when questioned by the police).  Assuming Julie was lying, her intention was presumably to cause trouble for Jeremy.  Perhaps she believed it would sound more convincing to say that a hitman did it.  Perhaps it did not seem so implausible that a professional hitman might be able to enter and exit the house without leaving a trace.

[Kaldin]

Just out of interest, how did the police and press react to Julie Mugford suddenly coming forward the way she did? Did they give her a hard time? After all, she had concealed her knowledge of a serious crime for a month - one which included the murder of children. She went around with Jeremy afterwards and even went on holiday with him twice.

She's lucky she wasn't charged with perverting the course of justice I suppose - she could have prevented the police from messing up the crime scene if she had come forward earlier.

[mb1]

One thing that bothers me about Julie Mugford's story is this:

She went to the police in September and told them Jeremy had told her that he paid Matthew MacDonald to commit the murders.

Why would she say that if Jeremy did not tell her that? If she wanted to lie and drop Jeremy in it, why would she say that Matthew MacDonad did it? Did she have some kind of grudge against Matthew MacDonald as well?

Exactly!

Why mention MacDonald if she wanted to get back at Bamber? Unless she believed it to be true, for whatever reason.

Also, when she went to the police - and her friend Susan - the News of the World was nowhere in sight. And couldn't be guaranteed whatsover in those days, especially as she was talking about MacDonald as the killer.

If I had been her friend I would have said you have to tell. perhaps she really loved him and found if difficult (?!) but her friend kept saying this is murder. One day it might be you.

Actually, had I been her friend, I would have told the police immediately, unless Bamber had a reputation as a bit of a fantasist and braggard. Did he?

[Kaldin]

One thing that bothers me about Julie Mugford's story is this:

She went to the police in September and told them Jeremy had told her that he paid Matthew MacDonald to commit the murders.

Why would she say that if Jeremy did not tell her that? If she wanted to lie and drop Jeremy in it, why would she say that Matthew MacDonad did it? Did she have some kind of grudge against Matthew MacDonald as well?

Exactly!

Why mention MacDonald if she wanted to get back at Bamber? Unless she believed it to be true, for whatever reason.

Also, when she went to the police - and her friend Susan - the News of the World was nowhere in sight. And couldn't be guaranteed whatsover in those days, especially as she was talking about MacDonald as the killer.

If I had been her friend I would have said you have to tell. perhaps she really loved him and found if difficult (?!) but her friend kept saying this is murder. One day it might be you.

Actually, had I been her friend, I would have told the police immediately, unless Bamber had a reputation as a bit of a fantasist and braggard. Did he?

I can understand Julie Mugford not wanting to tell the police at first but I can't understand why she carried on seeing him as if nothing had happened. I would have thought she would distance herself or something.

[Jackiepreece]

She's a liar it's a disgrace that she benefitted out of all this and she probably tried to  blame the hitman because maybe him and Jeremy maybe went out picking up girls together. If definitive prove  comes out (say undisclosed documents) I hope that she can still be bought back to England and charged. If she was telling the truth she could have given the money to Colin caffell to help him start a new life without his two sons she could have prevented getting killed (remember when she said Jeremy told her tonights the night).
Think about it if Jeremy got out of prison tomorrow he probably might not have the chance to have children.

So this is Julie mugford she either

Lied and made the whole thing up and ruined someones life could she couldn't have them

Went along even on the day thinking two little boys would be slaughtered and she would have known they would be killed if Jeremy wanted all the inheritance

British justice makes me sick

She is the most vile and disgusting human being

[Pete0001]

One thing that bothers me about Julie Mugford's story is this:

She went to the police in September and told them Jeremy had told her that he paid Matthew MacDonald to commit the murders.

Why would she say that if Jeremy did not tell her that? If she wanted to lie and drop Jeremy in it, why would she say that Matthew MacDonad did it? Did she have some kind of grudge against Matthew MacDonald as well?

Exactly!

Why mention MacDonald if she wanted to get back at Bamber? Unless she believed it to be true, for whatever reason.

Also, when she went to the police - and her friend Susan - the News of the World was nowhere in sight. And couldn't be guaranteed whatsover in those days, especially as she was talking about MacDonald as the killer.

If I had been her friend I would have said you have to tell. perhaps she really loved him and found if difficult (?!) but her friend kept saying this is murder. One day it might be you.

Actually, had I been her friend, I would have told the police immediately, unless Bamber had a reputation as a bit of a fantasist and braggard. Did he?

That's a very good point... why Bring McDonald into the equation? Did she know him well enough to consider dropping his name as a reasonable accusation? Or did she get the information from Jeremy? Any thoughts?

[Kaldin]

Re Colin Caffell. Did the family offer him any of the inheritance? I know that money can't make up for losing your two children but I would have thought they would offer something considering that they believed that their relative had killed Colin's children.

[Pete0001]

She's a liar it's a disgrace that she benefitted out of all this and she probably tried to  blame the hitman because maybe him and Jeremy maybe went out picking up girls together.

So she's dumped by Jeremy so she tries to frame someone who knows Jeremy for murder.. that's what you are saying?
Purely cause they may have gone cruising for girls together... she claims McDonald was hired by Bamber.

[mb1]

She's a liar it's a disgrace that she benefitted out of all this and she probably tried to  blame the hitman because maybe him and Jeremy maybe went out picking up girls together. If definitive prove  comes out (say undisclosed documents) I hope that she can still be bought back to England and charged. If she was telling the truth she could have given the money to Colin caffell to help him start a new life without his two sons she could have prevented getting killed (remember when she said Jeremy told her tonights the night).
Think about it if Jeremy got out of prison tomorrow he probably might not have the chance to have children.

So this is Julie mugford she either

Lied and made the whole thing up and ruined someones life could she couldn't have them

Went along even on the day thinking two little boys would be slaughtered and she would have known they would be killed if Jeremy wanted all the inheritance

British justice makes me sick

She is the most vile and disgusting human being

It would make her a terrible, amoral human being, but not the most vile and disgusting.
Nowhere near the same par as Ian Brady or Fred West.
Or whoever did kill the Bamber family.

[Pete0001]

But IF she was telling the truth, she could have saved their lives...

Yes, but as unpleasant as it is... Jeremy would not of been the first lad who felt he was being short changed by his parents to say things like I hate my parents or I wish they were dead.. etc etc... i dont think people's, especially close lovers etc, first reaction to a claim like that is... "oh my god he means it I must call the police!"

[Kaldin]

But IF she was telling the truth, she could have saved their lives...

Yes, but as unpleasant as it is... Jeremy would not of been the first lad who felt he was being short changed by his parents to say things like I hate my parents or I wish they were dead.. etc etc... i dont think people's, especially close lovers etc, first reaction to a claim like that is... "oh my god he means it I must call the police!"

I don't think she could have prevented the murders, it's her behaviour afterwards which is dodgy.