Julie Mugford - the (lying) Criminal, exposed...

[Kaldin]

hi mike
I have spoken to one of the officers on the case last week during the conservation he made a statement that she was not given any choice of staying around after the trial he said that the choice was either that of be convicted with Jeremy too.he said how could she refuse with cheque thing and the park break in also being used to help make up her mind.
I quote his words "she was more afraid of Essex police than of bamber"
He also made comments about the evidence being destroyed,he gave me a web address of a local fingerprint specialist in colchester and,it seemed to add up what he was saying.
i am still looking for peter Woodcocks address if you know where he is it would help.
Most of the officers I have contacted are not too happy to be found,but I think its time to decide which side of the fence they want to be on.it is either Jeremy who  is Evil beyond belief for killing his family or the people who have kept quiet while a innocent man gets convicted,i do not see any middle ground.
I see it as the simplest way to sort this out, as we are sure that it is not only that Jeremy knows the truth but also the police officers that entered the farm that morning.
The officer alsomade me aware that some of those guys do read this forum
come on lets all dig up the past

One of the many issues I have with JM's evidence: she claimed to be afraid of JB because she knew that he was the murder. So what does she do?

She tries to smother the dangerous serial murderer she fears with a pillow!

Hands up anyone who would have taken that risk.

Well yes. It's kind of risky trying to do that to a mass murderer. 

[Kaldin]

hi mike
I have spoken to one of the officers on the case last week during the conservation he made a statement that she was not given any choice of staying around after the trial he said that the choice was either that of be convicted with Jeremy too.he said how could she refuse with cheque thing and the park break in also being used to help make up her mind.
I quote his words "she was more afraid of Essex police than of bamber"
He also made comments about the evidence being destroyed,he gave me a web address of a local fingerprint specialist in colchester and,it seemed to add up what he was saying.
i am still looking for peter Woodcocks address if you know where he is it would help.
Most of the officers I have contacted are not too happy to be found,but I think its time to decide which side of the fence they want to be on.it is either Jeremy who  is Evil beyond belief for killing his family or the people who have kept quiet while a innocent man gets convicted,i do not see any middle ground.
I see it as the simplest way to sort this out, as we are sure that it is not only that Jeremy knows the truth but also the police officers that entered the farm that morning.
The officer alsomade me aware that some of those guys do read this forum
come on lets all dig up the past

Afternoon Mr Cook. I have no idea if you're for real or not. I suspect not, but never mind, you make some interesting points. 

Re Julie Mugford, you think there was a possibility she might have been charged? Would that be for the burglary, the cheque book fraud, perverting the course of justice, or accessory to murder?

Why do you think he's not real, Kaldin?

Oh you know - people often claim to be someone they're not on the internet.

[chochokeira]

hi mike
I have spoken to one of the officers on the case last week during the conservation he made a statement that she was not given any choice of staying around after the trial he said that the choice was either that of be convicted with Jeremy too.he said how could she refuse with cheque thing and the park break in also being used to help make up her mind.
I quote his words "she was more afraid of Essex police than of bamber"
He also made comments about the evidence being destroyed,he gave me a web address of a local fingerprint specialist in colchester and,it seemed to add up what he was saying.
i am still looking for peter Woodcocks address if you know where he is it would help.
Most of the officers I have contacted are not too happy to be found,but I think its time to decide which side of the fence they want to be on.it is either Jeremy who  is Evil beyond belief for killing his family or the people who have kept quiet while a innocent man gets convicted,i do not see any middle ground.
I see it as the simplest way to sort this out, as we are sure that it is not only that Jeremy knows the truth but also the police officers that entered the farm that morning.
The officer alsomade me aware that some of those guys do read this forum
come on lets all dig up the past

Afternoon Mr Cook. I have no idea if you're for real or not. I suspect not, but never mind, you make some interesting points. 

Re Julie Mugford, you think there was a possibility she might have been charged? Would that be for the burglary, the cheque book fraud, perverting the course of justice, or accessory to murder?

Why do you think he's not real, Kaldin?

Oh you know - people often claim to be someone they're not on the internet.

That's true, but it doesn't explain why you believe Ron is one of them.

[Jackiepreece]

Kaldin trust me on this one!

[Kaldin]

That's true, but it doesn't explain why you believe Ron is one of them.

Well I assume that he's claiming to be DI Ron Cook who was part of the SOC team at the farm that day. If he is, then I have some questions for him, and I'm sure Mike does too. 

I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that the people involved read this forum. If I had been associated with such a high-profile murder case, I'd be glued to it. I'm just not convinced that Ron Cook is who he implies he is.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin trust me on this one!

Jackie, I would love it to be the real Ron Cook, I really would. I would also love it if the entire firearms team posted here too, but anyone can use any name on any forum ....

[chochokeira]

hi mike
I have spoken to one of the officers on the case last week during the conservation he made a statement that she was not given any choice of staying around after the trial he said that the choice was either that of be convicted with Jeremy too.he said how could she refuse with cheque thing and the park break in also being used to help make up her mind.
I quote his words "she was more afraid of Essex police than of bamber"
He also made comments about the evidence being destroyed,he gave me a web address of a local fingerprint specialist in colchester and,it seemed to add up what he was saying.
i am still looking for peter Woodcocks address if you know where he is it would help.
Most of the officers I have contacted are not too happy to be found,but I think its time to decide which side of the fence they want to be on.it is either Jeremy who  is Evil beyond belief for killing his family or the people who have kept quiet while a innocent man gets convicted,i do not see any middle ground.
I see it as the simplest way to sort this out, as we are sure that it is not only that Jeremy knows the truth but also the police officers that entered the farm that morning.
The officer alsomade me aware that some of those guys do read this forum
come on lets all dig up the past

Kaldin thinks you're using the name of, or posing as, former DI Ron Cook who attended the murder scene, Ron. Is that so?

[chochokeira]

Kaldin trust me on this one!

Jackie, I would love it to be the real Ron Cook, I really would. I would also love it if the entire firearms team posted here too, but anyone can use any name on any forum ....

Good point, I didn't notice that. Well, I've just asked him.

[Jackiepreece]

I meant trust me when I know something is true and I just hope the whole truth comes out because I know that although you tend to go with JB being guilty there are things that don't add up.  All I want is the right conclusion to 26 years of wild speculation.

[Kaldin]

I meant trust me when I know something is true and I just hope the whole truth comes out because I know that although you tend to go with JB being guilty there are things that don't add up.  All I want is the right conclusion to 26 years of wild speculation.

What's true though Jackie?  Are you referring to Mr Cook's post?

I know there are things which don't add up - that's partly why I'm here, to try to get them to add up. I'm also trying to cut through the wild speculation - that's why I question Mike so much. 

[Jackiepreece]

When everyone read JB s letter to mike a lot of people thought it wasn't very nice but I didn't at all I totally understand what he was saying and I am sure mike knows lots more than he puts on here but if JB asks him not to he can't and he wouldn't.  JB even gives the impression that the ccrc are trying to point out exactly what he needs to get an appeal.  I know nothing in depth about the legal system except my horrendous experience as a juror. But I know stuff is happening  but I don't even ask anything anymore in case I say something that I shouldn't but as I have saud before the best thing ever to come out of this would be the whole thing was a tragic accident.  I am confused now when I read people saying it's too late for new evidence to be considered even if it's significant.  I couldn't say something on here when I have been told something in confidance and Mike must find it so difficult when he can't put certain things on here because he has been asked not too.  I did find the reaction to JB s letter to mike very strange because I am sure they disagree on a number of points but mike and JB were locked up together for a long time and mike probably understands JB better than anyone and has absolute belief there has been a miscarriage of justice so I trust mike when he cannot answer everything

[Kaldin]

When everyone read JB s letter to mike a lot of people thought it wasn't very nice but I didn't at all I totally understand what he was saying and I am sure mike knows lots more than he puts on here but if JB asks him not to he can't and he wouldn't.  JB even gives the impression that the ccrc are trying to point out exactly what he needs to get an appeal.  I know nothing in depth about the legal system except my horrendous experience as a juror. But I know stuff is happening  but I don't even ask anything anymore in case I say something that I shouldn't but as I have saud before the best thing ever to come out of this would be the whole thing was a tragic accident.  I am confused now when I read people saying it's too late for new evidence to be considered even if it's significant.  I couldn't say something on here when I have been told something in confidance and Mike must find it so difficult when he can't put certain things on here because he has been asked not too.  I did find the reaction to JB s letter to mike very strange because I am sure they disagree on a number of points but mike and JB were locked up together for a long time and mike probably understands JB better than anyone and has absolute belief there has been a miscarriage of justice so I trust mike when he cannot answer everything

I had no objections to the letter and I said so at the time.

I understand there might be things that Mike can't put on here, but if that's so, then he shouldn't really state things he can't back up. It's best if he doesn't mention such things because that invariably leads to people questionning him and a lot of frustration that he can't or won't produce evidence.

I'm not sure you could call the murders a tragic accident. There was nothing accidental about them, even if Sheila did do it.

[tut tut]

Thankyou Kaldin for that and mb1 I wonder when Maxine Carr is going back to her little teaching assistant job because what she wasn't too bad was it !!!!!!
Don't compare petty crime with mass murder and was jb involved in the cheque book fraud


For Julie mugford crime certainly did pay it bought her a flat and while we are on the subject Julie mugfords dad said in an  interview around the time of the 2002  appeal  said he was disgusted jb was allowed to appeal and said jb  should stay in prison for the rest of his life.

Julie mugford great daughter he must be so proud

You seem very angry at Miss Mugford, have you ever tried Yoga Jackie?

[Kaldin]

Thankyou Kaldin for that and mb1 I wonder when Maxine Carr is going back to her little teaching assistant job because what she wasn't too bad was it !!!!!!
Don't compare petty crime with mass murder and was jb involved in the cheque book fraud


For Julie mugford crime certainly did pay it bought her a flat and while we are on the subject Julie mugfords dad said in an  interview around the time of the 2002  appeal  said he was disgusted jb was allowed to appeal and said jb  should stay in prison for the rest of his life.

Julie mugford great daughter he must be so proud

You seem very angry at Miss Mugford, have you ever tried Yoga Jackie?

Silly comment tut tut and unworthy of you. 

[tut tut]

Kaldin trust me on this one!

Take Mugfords evidenceout the picture then as she is a liar and a thief, does that men we can't believe a word Bamber says as he is a liar and a thief too?