The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[Roch]

Nobody knows what June did when she got out of bed; your theory is one among many as to what may have happened.
If you have a high definition photo of June you can hardly miss a bloody great cut on her chin, half an inch long at least. With a little more effort you can see the cuts on her left hand.

Subject has become tedious, you are clearly convinced that only you know what happened, so no point in further discussion.

I think the problem for David is that while he believes in JB's innocence, he is very resistant towards the notion that a pathologist could be induced or coerced in to withholding details. Primary in this, is the few handwritten notes we have that are allegedly PV's original PM notes. For David and others, because such marks are not mentioned, this must mean that they can not have existed in the form of wounds, as the notes related to immediately after the killings, when JB was not an official suspect.  Were David to acquiesce (say for example accept the chin wound) - he would then be forced to reconsider all the other claims being made regarding other wounds. This would be uncomfortable for anyone who has taken up his position. Similarly if Jeremy Bamber confessed to being responsible, we would find it bewildering given our understanding of the case - possibly leading to a period of denial, where we refused to accept his confession.

[guest29835]

Maybe Sheila and June were having a fight upstairs while Nevill was phoning Jeremy and Chelmsford police.

June got back into bed because she was feeling tired. Then Sheila shot her 5 times.

June would not go back to bed with Sheila in possession of a firearm.

I think the only way a Sheila scenario works is if Sheila is present when Nevill makes the call to Jeremy and Nevill ends that call because Sheila goes for the stairs.

I cannot think of any other way a Sheila scenario could work logically.  For instance, if you place Sheila downstairs and Nevill upstairs, then how does the call to Jeremy happen?

[lookout]

June would not go back to bed with Sheila in possession of a firearm.

I think the only way a Sheila scenario works is if Sheila is present when Nevill makes the call to Jeremy and Nevill ends that call because Sheila goes for the stairs.

I cannot think of any other way a Sheila scenario could work logically.  For instance, if you place Sheila downstairs and Nevill upstairs, then how does the call to Jeremy happen?

The upstairs office phone.

[lookout]

When phones run off the same line and one is activated, the other phone gives a tinkle noise so if Sheila had been upstairs when Nevill was downstairs phoning Jeremy she'd have heard the phone being activated. Which is why she'd have darted downstairs as soon as she heard that sound, knowing that her father was phoning someone.  It wouldn't do that if they were wired separately/ individually.

[lookout]

By having a few phones on the one inlet it weakens the signal though. Handy for using as an intercom system if you live in a large house.

[David1819]

ACC Simpson gave Keanally the task of reinvestiating the case. The conclusion being that Sheila was responsible. ACC Simpson, Taff Jones, Ainsley and Keanally then all had a meeting with Robert Boutflour and Ann Eaton on the 31st of August to tell them this.

This begs the question as to why these 28 alleged wounds were never disclosed to RWB. Much like the fact he was never informed of Nevills alleged 999 call. The logical deduction being there was nothing to report or disclose in the first place.

[Steve_uk]

Why do you think I have this weirdo on ignore? The forum has been a much more pleasant experience since. 

A weirdo..now were do you get that idea from..

[Steve_uk]

ACC Simpson gave Keanally the task of reinvestiating the case. The conclusion being that Sheila was responsible. ACC Simpson, Taff Jones Ainsley and Keanally then all had a meeting with Robert Boutflour and Ann Eaton on the 31st of August to tell them this.

This begs the question as to why these 28 alleged wounds were never disclosed to RWB. Much like the fact he was never informed of Nevills alleged 999 call. The logical deduction being there was nothing to report or disclose in the first place.

You've got the dates wrong. ACC Simpson didn't meet Robert Boutflour until Thursday 5 September, but as I'm on ignore you can live in perpetual ignorance as far as I care.

[Steve_uk]

When phones run off the same line and one is activated, the other phone gives a tinkle noise so if Sheila had been upstairs when Nevill was downstairs phoning Jeremy she'd have heard the phone being activated. Which is why she'd have darted downstairs as soon as she heard that sound, knowing that her father was phoning someone.  It wouldn't do that if they were wired separately/ individually.

It was a Georgian mansion lookout with thick walls. Are you quite sure such a sound would have been audible?

[Steve_uk]

I think the problem for David is that while he believes in JB's innocence, he is very resistant towards the notion that a pathologist could be induced or coerced in to withholding details. Primary in this, is the few handwritten notes we have that are allegedly PV's original PM notes. For David and others, because such marks are not mentioned, this must mean that they can not have existed in the form of wounds, as the notes related to immediately after the killings, when JB was not an official suspect.  Were David to acquiesce (say for example accept the chin wound) - he would then be forced to reconsider all the other claims being made regarding other wounds. This would be uncomfortable for anyone who has taken up his position. Similarly if Jeremy Bamber confessed to being responsible, we would find it bewildering given our understanding of the case - possibly leading to a period of denial, where we refused to accept his confession.

How about showing us the photos..

[Roch]

How about showing us the photos..

The forum was given a clear photo of the nail gouges / scrape on SC's right hand. Also the scab / indent along the inside of right hand.  Some people could clearly see they were wounds. However, because Vanezis hasn't labelled them as such, other people simply refused to see that they were wounds.  It seems that people will go to the extent of doubting their own eyes, if told the contrary by a person of authority.  Like Bill has pointed out, Mark D paid the price for Vanezis' ear print claims. Vanezis is not infallible.

[Roch]

ACC Simpson gave Keanally the task of reinvestiating the case. The conclusion being that Sheila was responsible. ACC Simpson, Taff Jones, Ainsley and Keanally then all had a meeting with Robert Boutflour and Ann Eaton on the 31st of August to tell them this.

This begs the question as to why these 28 alleged wounds were never disclosed to RWB. Much like the fact he was never informed of Nevills alleged 999 call. The logical deduction being there was nothing to report or disclose in the first place.

I thought Ainsley had returned from leave and asked Kenneally to review. But what I don't understand is that this coincided with RB's meeting with Simpson - ie it was the same day, 6th Sept? If that is the case, Ainsley must have been thrown in to the fray immediately (at the expense of Taff?).  I hope he won't mind me saying, but I seem to recall ngb1066 telling me that when Kenneally presented his report to Bunyard, Simpson and Ainsley, apparently Simpson was furious.   If that is the case, it seems that Simpson urgently wanted the case to go down the route of JB (the same day as he had his meeting with RWB?).

[lookout]

It was a Georgian mansion lookout with thick walls. Are you quite sure such a sound would have been audible?

Within the property, yes. It was dead of night remember so no other sounds that we know of.

[Bill Robertson]

Its in Vanezis trial testimony, I will find it when I have more time. The inference can also be drawn from the fact they recovered several bullets that had gone into Junes pillow and mattress via Junes exit wounds as well as her side of the bed being covered in blood.

I have checked Vanezis' trial testimony and it does not mention anywhere how many shots June received while in bed, there is no mention of this at all.

[guest29835]

The upstairs office phone.

I've thought of that.  It doesn't work, I'm afraid.