The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[Roch]

Back to my questions.  Your answer is?  You give us the impression you know Colin.  Do you?

I've always equated Steve with JM. Sorry for talking about you as if you're not here Steve. For some reason I have it that Steve may have been an ex or went college with JM or some other (possibly Northern) connection?

[guest29835]

You haven't a clue about professional integrity (Doctor Peter Vanezis), you haven't a clue about a dilemma between young love and diabolical forces (Julie), you don't understand the banality of evil (to coin a phrase) of someone who blew the brains out of two six-year-old boys because he preferred a £38,000 Porsche to a Vauxhall Astra, you haven't a clue what all this muckraking is doing to Colin or you would desist and hang your head in shame along with the makers of the podcasts, who are similarly clueless as to the true facts of the case.

Can I add that I think the above reply you made to Bill is appalling. You have been arrogant and rude throughout this thread.  Although it is something for Bill to raise, I think it is relevant to the way you speak to me here as well.  I would do the same if Bill was anti-Jeremy or neutral like me.  You are not the font of all knowledge on this case and you are not a spokesman for Colin or Julie, nor do you have a channel into their inner thoughts.

[David1819]

Can I add that I think the above reply you made to Bill is appalling. You have been arrogant and rude throughout this thread.  Although it is something for Bill to raise, I think it is relevant to the way you speak to me here as well.  I would do the same if Bill was anti-Jeremy or neutral like me.  You are not the font of all knowledge on this case and you are not a spokesman for Colin or Julie, nor do you have a channel into their inner thoughts.

Why do you think I have this weirdo on ignore? The forum has been a much more pleasant experience since. 

[guest29835]

I've always equated Steve with JM. Sorry for talking about you as if you're not here Steve. For some reason I have it that Steve may have been an ex or went college with JM or some other (possibly Northern) connection?

Frankly, I couldn't give a monkey's who he is, but my question is genuine and relevant.  He clearly gives the impression that he knows Colin and he has some sort of connection to Colin and Julie.  He clearly gets very agitated and upset whenever Julie is mentioned on here in adverse terms.  I am sorry but it is just not normal behaviour for a stranger who doesn't know Julie. 

Does he know these people or is he just Colin and Julie's Number One Fan?

[Roch]

Why do you think I have this weirdo on ignore? The forum has been a much more pleasant experience since. 

I don't have anyone on ignore. Until recently, I used to have Adam on ignore - but that was more because I couldn't be arsed to go in to my profile and remove the ignore status.

[Roch]

I think that it is about 60-70% accurate and we will never get any closer than that unless the contents of Taff Jones’s investigation becomes available. There are quite a few suppositions that I would have reservations over. I don’t know if anyone challenges the scripts I’m not sure what the roles of the CT are these days. I recognize some of my work in the scripts, it seems to be a cut and paste job from various sources. I suppose that the podcasts are in effect there to keep interest alive in the case while the CCRC deliberates the submission.

Thanks for response. In an ideal world, I think somebody more neutral should have been embedded within the CT for the purpose of counter-interpretation of material. But we don't live in an ideal world. I would like to think Newby and Stone may have partially fulfilled this 'pushing back against the CT' role. Perhaps the length of time taken to reach the submissions stage tells us that to some extent they have done exactly this. We'll just have to wait and see.

[David1819]

I think you have to imagine a life or death struggle with somebody who has got hold of a gun and won't let go of it. How quickly would June become exhausted and how quickly might she be flung off? Was she already injured prior to the struggle commencing? Was Sheila off balance at anytime and could any wounds be friction related, ie caused by inanimate objects situated in the room? Think outside the box David. Push the envelope. Brainstorm it.

June was shot five times while in bed. She then collapsed in a few seconds after she got out of bed. The blood patterns consisting of Junes blood in the master bedroom make this irrefutable. Hence its not possible for June to have been in such an altercation.

Brainstorming and thinking outside the box is useful when it comes to business, innovation and creativity but has no place in solving crimes.

[Roch]

June was shot five times while in bed. She then collapsed in a few seconds after she got out of bed. The blood patterns consisting of Junes blood in the master bedroom make this irrefutable. Hence its not possible for June to have been in such an altercation.

Brainstorming and thinking outside the box is useful when it comes to business, innovation and creativity but has no place in solving crimes.

How much of the carpet have you seen? They were burned weren't they? June had other wounds as well as gun shots.  How do we know all five shots were received in quick succession in that manner? How do we know she didn't end up on the bed a second time, after having originally got off the bed?

[Bill Robertson]

June was shot five times while in bed. She then collapsed in a few seconds after she got out of bed. The blood patterns consisting of Junes blood in the master bedroom make this irrefutable. Hence its not possible for June to have been in such an altercation.

I cannot find any reference in Vanezis notes, testimony or witness statement to June being shot 5 times while  in bed and I would be grateful for a precise reference for this.

June's blood was found all around the floor in the bedroom, there were hundreds of individual spots of June's blood around the floor. When dead, Sheila lay on top of many spots of blood from June. So June did move around considerably before being killed.

June also suffered gouge and cut injuries indicative of having been in close-quarters combat with Sheila. June was cut on the left hand and on the chin; she was also cut on both legs. She had six small gouges or cuts on her left hand. Their fight would not have lasted long, maybe two minutes at most, but it was sufficient for both women to cause numerous wounds to each other.

[Bill Robertson]

Thanks for response. In an ideal world, I think somebody more neutral should have been embedded within the CT for the purpose of counter-interpretation of material. But we don't live in an ideal world. I would like to think Newby and Stone may have partially fulfilled this 'pushing back against the CT' role. Perhaps the length of time taken to reach the submissions stage tells us that to some extent they have done exactly this. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yes, I agree. To give one example, a small quibble, but I don't think anyone would carry around .22 bullets in the shotgun bandolier that was on the staircase, the loops on the bandolier are for shotgun cartridges and the bullets would just fall through the loops. Far more likely, Sheila carried bullets in a white plastic carrier bag that is lying on the floor in the main bedroom. I think it detracts from the credibility of the podcast. There were a few other things that stuck me as odd when I listened, but due to my dementia I can't remember what they were!

[Adam]

Maybe Sheila and June were having a fight upstairs while Nevill was phoning Jeremy and Chelmsford police.

June got back into bed because she was feeling tired. Then Sheila shot her 5 times.

[David1819]

I cannot find any reference in Vanezis notes, testimony or witness statement to June being shot 5 times while  in bed and I would be grateful for a precise reference for this.

Its in Vanezis trial testimony, I will find it when I have more time. The inference can also be drawn from the fact they recovered several bullets that had gone into Junes pillow and mattress via Junes exit wounds as well as her side of the bed being covered in blood.

June's blood was found all around the floor in the bedroom, there were hundreds of individual spots of June's blood around the floor. When dead, Sheila lay on top of many spots of blood from June. So June did move around considerably before being killed.

June got out of bed and ran round it before going back round after realizing the shooter had gone after Nevil down the stairs. This takes a matter of seconds.

June also suffered gouge and cut injuries indicative of having been in close-quarters combat with Sheila. June was cut on the left hand and on the chin; she was also cut on both legs. She had six small gouges or cuts on her left hand. Their fight would not have lasted long, maybe two minutes at most, but it was sufficient for both women to cause numerous wounds to each other.

There are no such Injuries on June. What you are looking at is drips, smears and runs of dried blood on the surface of the skin.

[Roch]

June also suffered gouge and cut injuries indicative of having been in close-quarters combat with Sheila. June was cut on the left hand and on the chin; she was also cut on both legs. She had six small gouges or cuts on her left hand. Their fight would not have lasted long, maybe two minutes at most, but it was sufficient for both women to cause numerous wounds to each other.

If I remember correctly, the cuts to June's hand are very fine. The chin wound is visible in forum images but the images are very low definition. Regarding the marks on her shins, I couldn't work them out.

[lookout]

June had fingermarks around her throat---which should have been tested for size etc which would have told the pathologist if it had been male or female prints.

[Bill Robertson]

June got out of bed and ran round it before going back round after realizing the shooter had gone after Nevil down the stairs. This takes a matter of seconds.

There are no such Injuries on June. What you are looking at is drips, smears and runs of dried blood on the surface of the skin.

Nobody knows what June did when she got out of bed; your theory is one among many as to what may have happened.
If you have a high definition photo of June you can hardly miss a bloody great cut on her chin, half an inch long at least. With a little more effort you can see the cuts on her left hand.

Subject has become tedious, you are clearly convinced that only you know what happened, so no point in further discussion.