Did Colin Caffell Contribute To Sheila's Schizophrenia?

[Jane]

She wasn't sick before she married.

Did you not say she suffered PND after the first termination? That was two or three years before they married.

[Caroline]

Sheila had enjoyed life and she certainly enjoyed modelling prior to her marriage.

She wasn't a model prior to her marriage;

So that was the beginning of our relationship; our life together was an endless run of intense passions and stormy differences – pathos, pain and wonder. A second pregnancy (the first having been terminated six months into our relationship while I was still a student) led to our wedding. With my encouragement, Bambs had by then

become a model and I, with hers, an advertisement sales executive. Art school had fulfilled my need for a qualification and training, but couldn’t support the expense of a wife and child – well, that was my excuse. I, basically, didn’t have the courage or strength of character to make a go of it as an artist.

Caffell, Colin. In Search of the Rainbow's End: Inside the White House Farm Murders (p. 29). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

Perhaps it had more to do with the number of children she lost.

[Jane]

Sheila had enjoyed life and she certainly enjoyed modelling prior to her marriage.

I've not seen that documented and she was certainly no more successful as a model than she'd been as a typist or a hairdresser.

[lookout]

Did you not say she suffered PND after the first termination? That was two or three years before they married.

Yes I did, though that in itself would have gone unnoticed, especially by Sheila herself as it wasn't recognised as such then as it is now.

[lookout]

She wasn't a model prior to her marriage;

So that was the beginning of our relationship; our life together was an endless run of intense passions and stormy differences – pathos, pain and wonder. A second pregnancy (the first having been terminated six months into our relationship while I was still a student) led to our wedding. With my encouragement, Bambs had by then

become a model and I, with hers, an advertisement sales executive. Art school had fulfilled my need for a qualification and training, but couldn’t support the expense of a wife and child – well, that was my excuse. I, basically, didn’t have the courage or strength of character to make a go of it as an artist.

Caffell, Colin. In Search of the Rainbow's End: Inside the White House Farm Murders (p. 29). Hodder & Stoughton. Kindle Edition.

Perhaps it had more to do with the number of children she lost.

I actually thought it was before marriage because of her being pregnant when she married then saying that " she'd felt fat " for modelling. 

[lookout]

Also the fact that Jeremy used to accompany her to modelling sessions. Why didn't Colin go ?

[JackieD]

It could be that Sheila was not schizophrenic when she was married to Colin, but were there factors in the marriage and relationship that led to it?

In the link provided above, I found this post quite interesting:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1560.msg48497.html#msg48497

Everything that I have seen or heard of Colin make me not trust him.  He was older than Sheila and it’s clear he wasn’t a good partner

I also believe he lied in recent months giving interviews re the recent tv series
He was getting paid for his interviews and also promoting his new book and gave a strong opinion that Sheila and him were looking to getting back together
I have never seen any evidence that corroborated this

[JackieD]

https://youtu.be/pUn9hIdNDVI

One of Colin’s interviews re selling his book and saying Sheila did not know one end of a rifle from another and Sheila would have had to be a marksmen to kill all the family

[lookout]

Nobody needs to be a marksman to fire a gun. There have been accidents in the States where children have picked up guns and fired them.
Sheila was brought up with guns----it was a farm and they were a necessity so she'd have seen both her father and Jeremy shooting vermin.
If I watched someone long enough loading and firing it would come as second nature to copy it. Sheila wasn't that stupid that she wouldn't manage it herself she was more than capable.

People who speak for the dead make me sick !!

[guest7363]

Nobody needs to be a marksman to fire a gun. There have been accidents in the States where children have picked up guns and fired them.
Sheila was brought up with guns----it was a farm and they were a necessity so she'd have seen both her father and Jeremy shooting vermin.
If I watched someone long enough loading and firing it would come as second nature to copy it. Sheila wasn't that stupid that she wouldn't manage it herself she was more than capable.

People who speak for the dead make me sick !!

i agree Lookout, but maybe confident and coordinate.  I’ve listen to NGB and the use of guns, the only thing I would add the time scale and under pressure and re loading, but to actual fire close up, maybe not.

[guest7363]

Nobody needs to be a marksman to fire a gun. There have been accidents in the States where children have picked up guns and fired them.
Sheila was brought up with guns----it was a farm and they were a necessity so she'd have seen both her father and Jeremy shooting vermin.
If I watched someone long enough loading and firing it would come as second nature to copy it. Sheila wasn't that stupid that she wouldn't manage it herself she was more than capable.

People who speak for the dead make me sick !!

Do-you believe Sheila planned it, or was it a spur of the moment killing Lookout? If it was pre planned, she had to be confident in her ability to take everyone out and have the nerve or guts then to kill herself?

Or do you just think it kicked off on the night and things materialised the way it did? 

[JackieD]

Nobody needs to be a marksman to fire a gun. There have been accidents in the States where children have picked up guns and fired them.
Sheila was brought up with guns----it was a farm and they were a necessity so she'd have seen both her father and Jeremy shooting vermin.
If I watched someone long enough loading and firing it would come as second nature to copy it. Sheila wasn't that stupid that she wouldn't manage it herself she was more than capable.

People who speak for the dead make me sick !!

Lookout it is absolutely ridiculous and does not look good on Colin. Of course Sheila was around guns all her life
Colin has simply got it wrong

[JackieD]

I think it’s important to bring up the recent absolute rubbish series connected to the trashy CAL book.
In it we are shown Colin had a girlfriend and then in interviews he leads people to believe he could be getting back with Sheila.
Not really the way to treat someone with very very serious mental health issues

No wonder Sheila was at the end of her tether

[JackieD]

 https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/minimal-entry-intvw-colin-caffell-sheils-ex-husband-news-footage/1131154434?adppopup=true

[Jane]

i agree Lookout, but maybe confident and coordinate.  I’ve listen to NGB and the use of guns, the only thing I would add the time scale and under pressure and re loading, but to actual fire close up, maybe not.

Of course, RJ. It maybe JUST possible, had she been interested, she could have fired off a round or two for fun. Perhaps, in order to make certain every bullet went home, she'd been taking secret lessons? -does a mother practice how to kill her children?- in which case the whole thing was long premeditated. However, planning and doing are different animals. Sheila seems never to have been confident of anything in her life, or of accomplishing anything without having her hand held. That alone suggests a shaking hand.

If it had been an illness related, spur of the moment thing, given her poor hand/eye coordination -we can, I believe rule out her ability to apply make up and nail varnish because she'd have had greater control of small, short brushes than the length of a rifle- her senses dulled by medication designed for the purpose, I think it can be said that many of the shots would have gone wild.

If we're going to refrain from speaking for the dead, we must also refrain from endowing them with capabilities they didn't have.