Colin Caffell - witness statements:-

[Newbury1]

I'm reading everything I can get my hands on.
 I'm open to any and all suggestions, sources and advice.
And I mean that from both sides.
Sometimes the best education (for myself) has come from others who have not held the same views as me. It forces me to educate myself.

 I can't get this case out of my mind.
I tried to forget it for a few months before joining this forum.
However, I'm first to admit I have a very long way to go.


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Lilibet

Apologies if these have already been suggested, or you've already read through them, but the following are worth a look:

David Shaw's 'An Innocent Man'
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1268.0.html

The Dickinson Report
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html#lastPost

The 2002 Appeal Judgement
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.html

The various witness statements contained in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

Also there are various published books:
Scott Lomax (Jeremy Bamber ISBN0750950625)
Roger Wilkes (Mammoth Book of CSI ISBN1845294785) Only a small section, Blood Relations is better.
Roger Wilkes (Blood Relations ISBN0140242007)
Colin Caffell (In Search of Rainbows End ISBN0340617454)


I'm sure other people will be able to offer a few other suggestions.

Hi Hartley, good to see you back (the real one  that is) and as helpful as ever.

This is a bit off thread but are you still intending setting up some sort of 3d layout of whf or have you gone off this idea?

I believe you referred to this in one of your previous forum life's 

[Lilibet]

I'm reading everything I can get my hands on.
 I'm open to any and all suggestions, sources and advice.
And I mean that from both sides.
Sometimes the best education (for myself) has come from others who have not held the same views as me. It forces me to educate myself.

 I can't get this case out of my mind.
I tried to forget it for a few months before joining this forum.
However, I'm first to admit I have a very long way to go.


**
Lilibet

Apologies if these have already been suggested, or you've already read through them, but the following are worth a look:

David Shaw's 'An Innocent Man'
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1268.0.html

The Dickinson Report
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html#lastPost

The 2002 Appeal Judgement
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.html

The various witness statements contained in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

Also there are various published books:
Scott Lomax (Jeremy Bamber ISBN0750950625)
Roger Wilkes (Mammoth Book of CSI ISBN1845294785) Only a small section, Blood Relations is better.
Roger Wilkes (Blood Relations ISBN0140242007)
Colin Caffell (In Search of Rainbows End ISBN0340617454)


I'm sure other people will be able to offer a few other suggestions.
 

Thanks for the links!
 Really appreciate it.

Lilibet

[bob]

Because it sure don't say loving Mother to me.

You nasty minded person 

Lilibet's an overseas newbie, Bob, it would be good if we could show her what a respectful forum we can be, do you not think?

Err... No.

[grahameb]

Because it sure don't say loving Mother to me.

You nasty minded person 

Lilibet's an overseas newbie, Bob, it would be good if we could show her what a respectful forum we can be, do you not think?

Err... No.

Why is she a nasty person?

[Hartley]

I'm reading everything I can get my hands on.
 I'm open to any and all suggestions, sources and advice.
And I mean that from both sides.
Sometimes the best education (for myself) has come from others who have not held the same views as me. It forces me to educate myself.

 I can't get this case out of my mind.
I tried to forget it for a few months before joining this forum.
However, I'm first to admit I have a very long way to go.


**
Lilibet

Apologies if these have already been suggested, or you've already read through them, but the following are worth a look:

David Shaw's 'An Innocent Man'
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1268.0.html

The Dickinson Report
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html#lastPost

The 2002 Appeal Judgement
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.html

The various witness statements contained in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html

Also there are various published books:
Scott Lomax (Jeremy Bamber ISBN0750950625)
Roger Wilkes (Mammoth Book of CSI ISBN1845294785) Only a small section, Blood Relations is better.
Roger Wilkes (Blood Relations ISBN0140242007)
Colin Caffell (In Search of Rainbows End ISBN0340617454)


I'm sure other people will be able to offer a few other suggestions.

Hi Hartley, good to see you back (the real one  that is) and as helpful as ever.

This is a bit off thread but are you still intending setting up some sort of 3d layout of whf or have you gone off this idea?

I believe you referred to this in one of your previous forum life's 

Hi Nick, it's still something I'm intending to do but it's on the back burner for the time being, I'll put some floor plans up as well when I have more time to finish them off, purely to explain the stair cases a little better.

[smiffy]

Taking it that in fact there were several boxes of slides that were of Sheila nude and that they were pornographic in nature then one must wonder on why they were retained by Sheila. She kept them for some reason. Now its reasonable to assume its correct that there could have been sentimental attachment for those that Colin actually took when she was 17 and he feelings about Colin may be a reason for her to retain those photos/slides. While that may explain one set of slides being retained its less clear on why other boxes of slides were retained so this needs exploring to try to understand Sheila's mindset and reasoning.

Note these photos were in slide form so someone went to the trouble of producing them that way and as Colin or Sheila had slides made from the photos he admitted to taking its reasonable to consider he or she had some input in having the other nude/pornographic photos put onto slides.

If Sheila was really upset/bothered about the slides/photos then no doubt she would have disposed of them but this was not the case.  One wonders then if some or all of them may have been taken by Colin. In his statement he does not directly say he did not take any of the other photos other than a set admitted to. He claimed they were professionally taken which may suggest he did not take them but it is left open. If indeed he had taken them or they were taken by another at his request then we could see Sheila having a sentimental attachment to them and thus retaining them.
We should also consider whether some other person she had feelings for may have taken those other photos/slides and that again there may be a sentimental reason to keep them based on those feelings. If this is correct we should expect Sheila to have talked to someone about such feelings she had for another particular person but this seems to be absent.

Colin does briefly describe the content of the slides he received from JB in his statement so he either looked at them since receiving them or he knew of them from some time before. He claims to have destroyed them but his claims on this are suspect in my view. They were supposed to be more strongly pornographic in nature so people may be less willing to admit to taking such photographs even if they did.

However all said and done and if the view taken is that the photos/slides were taken by some other currently unknown person Sheila was not particularly attached to then some reasoning must be found for why she retained these photos/slides.

In this I feel June's religious mania with its strong opposition to sexual matters may indeed play a part in Sheila's thinking and the keeping of the pornographic slides of herself. Her dislike of her mother and her hostile attitude to sexual pleasures may have elevated an importance to the sexually pornographic nature of the slides and that Sheila herself was strongly sexual to have such personal photos taken. In such a way by keeping these explicit photos Sheila would be opposing her mothers anti-sex viewpoint and holding and defending her own ground and was not thus mentally beaten by her mother. Thus the field of sex became a battleground for Sheila and the slides were weapons in her arsenal. The strange views she had about sex involving her children may have been a part of this as the thinking became warped by the extremes at play.

June's views of sex being more akin to the devil and not godly  and ok as per her views on the bible may well have set some of the grounds for what came into play in the killings. As part of Sheila's battle in the killing she may have introduced or used sexual elements to justify her actions to herself and to make a point to her prime victim/s.

There are reasons to suggest Sheila may have been naked or near naked at the time of the killings. If indeed she retained the pornographic slides of herself as I have reasoned because of their sexual nature then being naked or near naked would have given Sheila a sense of power and control and shown opposition to her victims views. The shot (not reported by pathologist) through Junes left breast may well have been inflicted by Sheila because of the sexual element of the female breasts as if Sheila was making a point of the issue(Sheila herself had undergone breast enhancement surgery so it was  matter she felt strongly on).  Ralphs trousers round his knees/ankles again may have been a deliberate act on Sheila's part in which again she felt the need to show power/control over him  by exposing Ralphs sexual parts.

As far as the bible was concerned much depends on the viewpoint taken by its reader. Some may say it promotes sex yet other interpretations by some are very anti-sex. What views Sheila took on what the bible said and meant and how it should be interpreted in regards to sex may have been very different from her mothers.

[clifford]

So now we know that Pargeters sister was in on the act. Threatening JB with legal action if she did not get her way.Soon after the killings she wrote to JB to say that "uncle Neville" had promised her some valuable painting. I  cannot believe this is true. Neville in my mind would never have done this.
The whole family were looking to settle their debts with Neville.
DB said nobody wins. I beg to differ. There was only one loser in this, Jeremy the rest were winners.
What a waste it was as DB said the money had all gone.
The relatives knew nothing of the Bambers, because Neville ran a tight ship. He would never have taken them into his confidence.
Pure and simple they were rotten to the core and a bunch of parasites.
Lots of pictures were shown of JB at the funeral, and it was mentioned that he never wept. I didn't see the boutflours bawling their eyes out either.
Money money money was the cause of the relatives
This was omitted in court, so the jury were mislead.Had they been aware of Mugfords closeness to the relatives, and the profit the relatives were going to gain, the result could have been so different.
Plod found nothing wrong in their findings of murder/suicide, but inspectors  RB and DB were far wiser. Nudge nudge wink, do you fancy a job at a caravan park.
Totally off my rant, Sheila could have washed her feet in one of the two buckets in the kitchen.