Lest We Forget...................

[Adam]

Thanks Adam. 

I agree Jeremy probably knew about backspatter beforehand, which is why:

(i). He probably didn't use the silencer.
(ii). The possibility that the relatives planted blood in the silencer is plausible, since they had at least as much knowledge about guns as Jeremy did.

Thanks Adam.

Wow. You are post searching.

That is a valid point. If he knew about back splatter beforehand, he may have disposed of or ran the silencer under the tap before putting it away. Sheila had received a contact shot in area with high blood flow.

Then again it was a low powered rifle & he was not expecting the police to check the silencers. And they didn't.

He may have known about the rifle lenght beforehand. But still decided to use the silencer. For obvious reasons.

[JackieD]

Thanks Caroline.  Every time you post, you confirm my impression of you: as somebody who has a need to take a side, it doesn't matter which, as long as you can be a member of a tribe and hurl contempt and vitriol at the 'other side'.  You allow yourself one heterodoxy: that the silencer wasn't used, yet you still think he should stay in prison because, after all, you know he is guilty.  You are 100% sure.  How you can be so sure is a mystery. 

I'm not a 'fence sitter'.  That's just a term of abuse for somebody who thinks.  In this case, we don't know the truth.  Jeremy Bamber possibly does, but if he is innocent, then even he doesn't necessarily know.  That being the case, I start from the presumption of innocence.  I acknowledge that there is evidence pointing to Jeremy and I personally think him to be guilty, but the law requires the case to be proved - for a number of good reasons - and besides, I just don't know and I am humble enough to admit it.

It's honest and decent to admit that you don't know and look honestly and objectively at evidence, instead of going round pretending you know things you don't and sneering at people who are honest enough to accept their limitations and ask questions.

That is what I call a perfect post, spot on with your observations and you have only been here 5 minutes

[guest29835]

Wow. You are post searching.

That is a valid point. If he knew about back splatter beforehand, he may have disposed of or ran the silencer under the tap before putting it away. Sheila had received a contact shot in area with high blood flow.

Then again it was a low powered rifle & he was not expecting the police to check the silencers. And they didn't.

He may have known about the rifle lenght beforehand. But still decided to use the silencer. For obvious reasons.

That must be it.  Thanks Adam.

[Adam]

Thinking more about it. Back splatter was not something Bamber would need to know about or would find out about in his life at WHF.

Seems he occasionally fired a low powered rifle if he saw rabbits & went on a shooting party years earlier. None of these shots would be contact shots.

So it would not be something he considered when firing one contact shot into Sheila with a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

[guest29835]

Thinking more about it. Back splatter was not something Bamber would need to know about or would find out about in his life at WHF.

Seems he occasionally fired a low powered rifle if he saw rabbits & went on a shooting party years earlier. None of these shots would be contact shots.

So it would not be something he considered when firing one contact shot into Sheila with a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

Thanks Adam.  I suppose this means you've been wrong all along and the relatives wouldn't need to know about backspatter either in order to plant blood in the silencer.

Nice one Adam.  Thanks.

[Caroline]

Thanks Caroline.  Every time you post, you confirm my impression of you: as somebody who has a need to take a side, it doesn't matter which, as long as you can be a member of a tribe and hurl contempt and vitriol at the 'other side'.  You allow yourself one heterodoxy: that the silencer wasn't used, yet you still think he should stay in prison because, after all, you know he is guilty.  You are 100% sure.  How you can be so sure is a mystery. 

I'm not a 'fence sitter'.  That's just a term of abuse for somebody who thinks.  In this case, we don't know the truth.  Jeremy Bamber possibly does, but if he is innocent, then even he doesn't necessarily know.  That being the case, I start from the presumption of innocence.  I acknowledge that there is evidence pointing to Jeremy and I personally think him to be guilty, but the law requires the case to be proved - for a number of good reasons - and besides, I just don't know and I am humble enough to admit it.

It's honest and decent to admit that you don't know and look honestly and objectively at evidence, instead of going round pretending you know things you don't and sneering at people who are honest enough to accept their limitations and ask questions.

QC? You impression of me means squat. You don't know. I am sure my impression of you would meet with the same disdain. Lets just stick to discussing the case.

[guest29835]

QC? You impression of me means squat. You don't know. I am sure my impression of you would meet with the same disdain. Lets just stick to discussing the case.

Game, set and match.

[Adam]

Thanks Adam.  I suppose this means you've been wrong all along and the relatives wouldn't need to know about backspatter either in order to plant blood in the silencer.

Nice one Adam.  Thanks.

The relatives would need to know about back splatter. And a lot more. I will re post.

[Adam]

The relatives would need to know -

Sheila's arm lenght.

The rifle lenght with silencer.

Different positions Sheila could have shot herself.

What back splatter is.

Who received contact shots.

What locations would contact shots need to be to produce back splatter.

Where were the contact shots on everyone. 

Is there any other forensic evidence against Sheila.

How to realistically put blood into a silencer.

Where was Sheila's blood.

Did the crime scene photos show an unscratched aga.

Had the police already checked all silencers at WHF.

The chance of this getting a conviction.

The punishment if caught doing this.

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[Adam]

If similar to Bamber, they were unlikely to know about back splatter, then they couldn't attempt the frame.

[guest29835]

The relatives would need to know -

Sheila's arm lenght.

The rifle lenght with silencer.

Different positions Sheila could have shot herself.

What back splatter is.

Who received contact shots.

What locations would contact shots need to be to produce back splatter.

Where were the contact shots on everyone.

Is there any other forensic evidence against Sheila.

How to realistically put blood into a silencer.

Where was Sheila's blood.

Did the crime scene photos show an unscratched aga.

Had the police already checked all silencers at WHF.

The chance of this getting a conviction.

The punishment if caught doing this.

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Gish-gallop goop, beep-bop-beep.  Thanks Adam.

[Caroline]

Game, set and match.

Thanks!

[Adam]

Regarding back splatter alone, the relatives would need to know -

About back splatter.

Have the idea.

Know who received a contact shot.

Know where people received a contact shot.

Know whether the rifle nozzle had back splatter.

How to insert back splatter.

How to get Sheila's blood.

Know if the silencers had already been looked at.

Know whether there was a silencer on the weapon on top of Sheila.

Know whether Sheils could shoot herself with silencer attached.

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Obviously there was no possibilty of any of those happening.

[guest29835]

Regarding back splatter alone, the relatives would need to know -

About back splatter.

Have the idea.

Know who received a contact shot.

Know where people received a contact shot.

Know whether the rifle nozzle had back splatter.

How to insert back splatter.

How to get Sheila's blood.

Know if the silencers had already been looked at.

Know whether there was a silencer on the weapon on top of Sheila.

Know whether Sheils could shoot herself with silencer attached.

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Obviously there was no possibilty of any of those happening.

Beep-bop-beep, gish gallop.  Thanks Computer Adam.

Q. Is Adam a regular computer or an android sent from the future?

[guest29835]

Thanks!

Thanks!  You're the greatest Caroline!  I think we should start calling you Caroline 100, because you're 100% about everything.