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Offline Adam

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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #270 on: August 18, 2020, 12:16:AM »
How did the silencer make those scratches?  Which part of the silencer impacted on the aga surround?  How was the rifle being held when this happened?

I have already answered this.

As agreed at trial it was while Nevill & Bamber wrestled for the rifle. Simultaneously smashing the kitchen light.

The silencer skimmed the aga.

If you think the aga was scratched due as part of the industrial frame, that is fine.
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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #271 on: August 18, 2020, 12:17:AM »
I have already answered this.

As agreed at trial it was while Nevill & Bamber wrestled for the rifle. Simultaneously smashing the kitchen light.

The silencer skimmed the aga.

If you think the aga was scratched due as part of the industrial frame, that is fine.

I don't accept you've answered it properly, sorry.  Have you read the General Examination Record?

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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #272 on: August 18, 2020, 12:22:AM »
I don't accept you've answered it properly, sorry.  Have you read the General Examination Record?

Well it is clear Nevill & Bamber wrestled for the rifle. Smashing the kitchen light.

Nevill had to do something to stop the mammoth blows to his forearms and head from the rifle.

Don't see what the big issue about the attached silencer skimming a kitchen wall.

Who do you believe scratched the aga?
 
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« Reply #273 on: August 18, 2020, 12:30:AM »
Well it is clear Nevill & Bamber wrestled for the rifle. Smashing the kitchen light.

Nevill had to do something to stop the mammoth blows to his forearms and head from the rifle.

Don't see what the big issue about the attached silencer skimming a kitchen wall.

Who do you believe scratched the aga?

So have you read the forensic examination record or not?  If you haven't, that would explain why you don't see what the issue is.  The issue is that the paint was found on the knurled ribbon of the silencer at the muzzle end, and the scratch marks could not have been made by that part of the silencer, and since it's at the muzzle end, the silencer would have needed to be held flat to the aga surround despite being on the rifle, which is virtually impossible.  Or at least, it seems that way to me.  Do you have an explanation? 

It seems to me you don't, because you haven't read the primary sources, so we're at cross-purposes: you want to discuss this case based on received wisdom, whereas I consider the primary sources and make up my own mind, whether for or against Jeremy or something else.  What, then, is there for us to discuss?  To be honest, I don't quite understand why you're here, Adam, but that's your affair.  You're immovable because you're just relying on what you've been told and won't question it.

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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #274 on: August 18, 2020, 12:40:AM »
So have you read the forensic examination record or not?  If you haven't, that would explain why you don't see what the issue is.  The issue is that the paint was found on the knurled ribbon of the silencer at the muzzle end, and the scratch marks could not have been made by that part of the silencer, and since it's at the muzzle end, the silencer would have needed to be held flat to the aga surround despite being on the rifle, which is virtually impossible.  Or at least, it seems that way to me.  Do you have an explanation? 

It seems to me you don't, because you haven't read the primary sources, so we're at cross-purposes: you want to discuss this case based on received wisdom, whereas I consider the primary sources and make up my own mind, whether for or against Jeremy or something else.  What, then, is there for us to discuss?  To be honest, I don't quite understand why you're here, Adam, but that's your affair.  You're immovable because you're just relying on what you've been told and won't question it.

You are coming up with a new theory. Knowing which part of the silencer the paint was on & that it was not possible for that part of the silencer to scratch the aga.

Even the CT are not saying this. They just say someone else correctly scratched the aga after the event.

Who do you believe scratched the aga?

Think we both agree it was a very innovative frame idea which did it's job in 1985.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2020, 12:43:AM by Adam »
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« Reply #275 on: August 18, 2020, 12:48:AM »
You are coming up with a new theory. Knowing which part of the silencer the paint was & that it was not possible for that part of the silencer to scratch the aga.

Even the CT are not saying this. They just say someone else correctly scratched the aga after the event.

Who do you believe scratched the aga?

Think we both agree it was a very innovative frame idea which did it's job in 1985.

The matter would need to be tested, but it is difficult to see how the silencer could have caused those scratch marks during a struggle.

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« Reply #276 on: August 18, 2020, 11:00:AM »
That fire-surround had been recently painted------obviously over layers of years of paint so since the previous June ? it would have been on the tacky side with the heat from the Aga. Though that gouge would have been caused by a hand behind the implement, in this case a silencer.

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« Reply #277 on: August 18, 2020, 11:04:AM »
That fire-surround had been recently painted------obviously over layers of years of paint so since the previous June ? it would have been on the tacky side with the heat from the Aga. Though that gouge would have been caused by a hand behind the implement, in this case a silencer.

Could you tell me which part of the silencer came into contact with the aga surround to make these scratches and how the paint traces got in the knurled ribbon at the muzzle end of the silencer?

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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #278 on: August 18, 2020, 11:11:AM »
Could you tell me which part of the silencer came into contact with the aga surround to make these scratches and how the paint traces got in the knurled ribbon at the muzzle end of the silencer?





By digging in using the brim/edge as in scraping.

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« Reply #279 on: August 18, 2020, 11:13:AM »




By digging in using the brim/edge as in scraping.

Are you satisfied that this would result in paint traces in the knurled ribbon at the muzzle end?

Have you seen the General Examination Record and taken it into account?

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« Reply #280 on: August 18, 2020, 11:19:AM »
Are you satisfied that this would result in paint traces in the knurled ribbon at the muzzle end?

Have you seen the General Examination Record and taken it into account?





Why would I have to see the General Examination Record when common sense tells you that by using the rim of a round- shaped object as a scraper can be achieved ?

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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #281 on: August 18, 2020, 11:21:AM »
Where there's a will there's always a way.

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« Reply #282 on: August 18, 2020, 11:27:AM »




Why would I have to see the General Examination Record when common sense tells you that by using the rim of a round- shaped object as a scraper can be achieved ?

Because, Lookout, the General Examination Record shows where the paint was found on the silencer!  Don't you think that might be important?

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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #283 on: August 18, 2020, 11:33:AM »
Because, Lookout, the General Examination Record shows where the paint was found on the silencer!  Don't you think that might be important?
Why don't you post the relevant part instead of sounding so pompous..

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« Reply #284 on: August 18, 2020, 11:52:AM »
Because, Lookout, the General Examination Record shows where the paint was found on the silencer!  Don't you think that might be important?





Again, common sense would dictate that the rim itself would have the paint adhered to it.