Lest We Forget...................

[Adam]

As I've said already, Adam, I think Crispy was behind it all.  That's my theory and I'm basing it on fresh evidence.  You'll have to forgive me here, Adam, because I can't reveal all the details as it's going before the CCRC.  I'm sure you understand.

With this, your Eastenders theory (the Frank, Peggy and Pat carry-on) and the ketchup/HP sauce fiasco, I think we may have enough for a referral to the Court of Appeal.

Don't forget as well my theory that Jeremy was training for the Tour de Yorkshire.  This was a clever cover story on Jeremy's part to explain his bicycling routines but he almost came unstuck because Uncle Bobby realised and started looking for track marks.

It's all falling into place, Adam, and you've played a big part in it.

David believes it was just the relatives. Who scratched the aga and put Sheila's diluted period blood from a bucket of water into the silencer.

[guest29835]

David believes it was just the relatives. Who scratched the aga and put Sheila's diluted period blood in the silencer.

How were the scratch marks made on the aga surround, Adam?

[Adam]

How were the scratch marks made on the aga surround, Adam?

During the kitchen fight.

[guest29835]

During the kitchen fight.

But how?  How precisely?

[Adam]

But how?  How precisely?

Well I was not there. But while they wrestled for the rifle. The kitchen light also smashing.

This was accepted by defence, prosecution & judge at trial.

[guest29835]

Well I was not there. But while they wrestled for the rifle. The kitchen light also smashing.

This was accepted by defence, prosecution & judge at trial.

I assume you think the silencer made the scratch marks and this was while the silencer was attached to the rifle?  Is that so?  If so, I think that this would have been virtually impossible, for at least three reasons:

(i). The relevant part of the silencer could not have made those marks.
(ii). The silencer would have had to be flat to the surface of the aga surround.
(iii). No traces of paint were found on the floor beneath the aga surround, yet there are at least two scratch marks, if not three.

[Adam]

I assume you think the silencer made the scratch marks and this was while the silencer was attached to the rifle?  Is that so?  If so, I think that this would have been virtually impossible, for at least three reasons:

(i). The relevant part of the silencer could not have made those marks.
(ii). The silencer would have had to be flat to the surface of the aga surround.
(iii). No traces of paint were found on the floor beneath the aga surround, yet there are at least two scratch marks, if not three.

The scratch marks were too feint to produce debris.

The other two points I do not understand.

[guest29835]

The scratch marks were too feint to produce debris.

The other two points I do not understand.

I don't agree with your first point, nor does the defence.  If you don't understand my other points, then possibly you haven't really thought it all through or checked primary sources.  Have you looked at the relevant General Examination Record?  Obviously I am no expert, but it seems to me that the silencer could not have made those scratch marks at all.  That means either the paint has accidentally ended up in the knurled ribbon of the silencer or somebody has put it there after making the scratches with something else.

[David1819]

The scratch marks were too feint to produce debris.

That is incorrect. There was 20mm by 30mm area of paint chipped off the shelf. If the photos show a 2mm by 4mm bit of debris corresponding to a part missing from Sheila's toe nail in the same photo then it would show the paint debris from the 20mm by 30mm area of paint chipped off

[Adam]

I don't agree with your first point, nor does the defence.  If you don't understand my other points, then possibly you haven't really thought it all through or checked primary sources.  Have you looked at the relevant General Examination Record?  Obviously I am no expert, but it seems to me that the silencer could not have made those scratch marks at all.  That means either the paint has accidentally ended up in the knurled ribbon of the silencer or somebody has put it there after making the scratches with something else.

Did the defence bring debris up? Thought it was the CT, decades later.

We'll have to wait for Yvonne Hartley to divulge more information. She knows when the scratch marks were created and by who.

[guest29835]

Did the defence bring debris up? Thought it was the CT, decades later.

We'll have to wait for Yvonne Hartley to divulge more information. She knows when the scratch marks were created and by who.

Thanks Adam.  I think it was Frank Butcher and Stan helped him because they didn't want Taff taking the credit by pinning it on Peggy and Pat.  Do you think the truth will ever come out, Adam?

[Adam]

That is incorrect. There was 20mm by 30mm area of paint chipped off the shelf. If the photos show a 2mm by 4mm bit of debris corresponding to a part missing from Sheila's toe nail in the same photo then it would show the paint debris from the 20mm by 30mm area of paint chipped off

I disagree. It seems the silencer skimmed the aga for a second or less while Bamber & Nevill were fighting. Either before or after the kitchen light smashed.

Appreciate the CT trying to make it an issue.

[guest29835]

I disagree. It seems the silencer skimmed the aga for a second or less while Bamber & Nevill were fighting. Either before or after the kitchen light smashed.

Appreciate the CT trying to make it an issue.

How did the silencer make those scratches?  Which part of the silencer impacted on the aga surround?  How was the rifle being held when this happened?

[Steve_uk]

That is incorrect. There was 20mm by 30mm area of paint chipped off the shelf. If the photos show a 2mm by 4mm bit of debris corresponding to a part missing from Sheila's toe nail in the same photo then it would show the paint debris from the 20mm by 30mm area of paint chipped off

Not necessarily if members of the Raid Team had trampled it underfoot.

[lookout]

Paint chippings/debris would drop flush with the skirting , downwards so couldn't be trodden on . Nobody treads near edges.