Lest We Forget...................

[Roch]

Jeremy sounds like a bit of panicker to me, what with him ringing Julie at all hours

Agree.  I think he placed his trust in her because he looked to her for support / guidance.

[David1819]

'We know Julie made up the McDonald story since she let slip that she didn't know if McDonald had ever visited the farm despite claiming to have believed he was Jeremy's hitman who killed the family at the farm.'

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Why does that mean Julie made up what Bamber told her?

Because she must have known or believed McDonald had been to the crime scene. She cannot symotainiously think MM killed every one at the Farm and also not know if he had ever been there in the first place.

[guest29835]

Because she must have known or believed McDonald had been to the crime scene. She cannot symotainiously think MM killed every one at the Farm and also not know if he had ever been there in the first place.

To be fair, I have to agree with Adam and Steve on this point, though they won't approve of my reasons.

Strictly, Julie was not saying that Jeremy or Matthew were involved in the killings, rather her evidence was that Jeremy had told her this.  The distinction is important and is the basis of why I don't consider her evidence of great import from a legal perspective.

[David1819]

To be fair, I have to agree with Adam and Steve on this point, though they won't approve of my reasons.

Strictly, Julie was not saying that Jeremy or Matthew were involved in the killings, rather her evidence was that Jeremy had told her this.  The distinction is important and is the basis of why I don't consider her evidence of great import from a legal perspective.

How is an alleged murder confession to someone not important from a legal perspective? lol

[guest29835]

How is an alleged murder confession to someone not important from a legal perspective? lol

I didn't realise Matthew was involved.  Thanks David.

[Steve_uk]

How is an alleged murder confession to someone not important from a legal perspective? lol

Work it out yourself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/hearsay#:~:text=The%20law%20on%20hearsay%20is,(1)%20CJA%202003).&text=where%20the%20evidence%20is%20multiple%20hearsay%20(section%20121%20CJA%202003).

[David1819]

I didn't realise Matthew was involved.  Thanks David.

He wasn’t

[guest29835]

He wasn’t

But we should listen to Julie anyway?  I didn't know that.  Thanks David.

[David1819]

But we should listen to Julie anyway?  I didn't know that.  Thanks David.

In order to ascertain if one is lying or not you must listen.

[Steve_uk]

In order to ascertain if one is lying or not you must listen.

Yes David, or you become mired in your own reality.

[Adam]

The Channel 5 documentary said Nevill & June knew Jeremy had committed the caravan break in. If they didn't know,  it wouldn't be hard to guess.

Rather than pay the money back, maybe Nevill had decided Jeremy must attend bible classes with June for 6 months. Which would hopefully improve Jeremy's relationship with June & make him a more honest person.

Sadly, this never happened.

[guest29835]

In order to ascertain if one is lying or not you must listen.

My point is her evidence proves nothing and should have been excluded.

[guest29835]

The Channel 5 documentary said Nevill & June knew Jeremy had committed the caravan break in. If they didn't know,  it wouldn't be hard to guess.

Rather than pay the money back, maybe Nevill had decided Jeremy must attend bible classes with June for 6 months. Which would hopefully improve Jeremy's relationship with June & make him a more honest person.

Sadly, this never happened.

Thanks Adam.  This is new information.

We must imagine Jeremy studiously contemplating the Parable of the Prodigal Son and perhaps discussing its implications with June in a leisurely summer stroll back to the farm?  Then on Sundays, we see Jeremy at church joining in the chorus of 'Go, Tell It On The Mountain', though that might be a bit too evangelical for June's tastes.  Be Still For The Presence Of The Lord may be more up her street.

Perhaps the placing of the Bible upside down at the scene was Jeremy's way of getting his own back?  He was cocking-a-snoot to June's religious convictions.

Thanks Adam.

[Steve_uk]

Thanks Adam.  This is new information.

We must imagine Jeremy studiously contemplating the Parable of the Prodigal Son and perhaps discussing its implications with June in a leisurely summer stroll back to the farm?  Then on Sundays, we see Jeremy at church joining in the chorus of 'Go, Tell It On The Mountain', though that might be a bit too evangelical for June's tastes.  Be Still For The Presence Of The Lord may be more up her street.

Perhaps the placing of the Bible upside down at the scene was Jeremy's way of getting his own back?  He was cocking-a-snoot to June's religious convictions.

Thanks Adam.

You mean cock a snook. I love Be still for the presence of the Lord.

[Adam]

Thanks Adam.  This is new information.

We must imagine Jeremy studiously contemplating the Parable of the Prodigal Son and perhaps discussing its implications with June in a leisurely summer stroll back to the farm?  Then on Sundays, we see Jeremy at church joining in the chorus of 'Go, Tell It On The Mountain', though that might be a bit too evangelical for June's tastes.  Be Still For The Presence Of The Lord may be more up her street.

Perhaps the placing of the Bible upside down at the scene was Jeremy's way of getting his own back?  He was cocking-a-snoot to June's religious convictions.

Thanks Adam.

Maybe Jeremy would have taken one of June's bibles home. So he could do some extra reading in his spare time.

There were still enough bibles left at WHF to swat Crispy with.